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Messages - Ben Beck

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The Common Room / Re: Jackdaw history folders
« on: Thursday 03 September 20 07:13 BST (UK)  »
Yes! They were truly brilliant. Honestly, I think they inspired all my subsequent interest in history, and especially in archives. If it wasn't for the Jackdaw folders I would never have become our de facto family archivist.

I see there are still American Jackdaws. I wish we still had ours in the UK.

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Quaker Family History / Re: Baptisms and Christenings
« on: Friday 09 March 18 08:16 GMT (UK)  »
Short answer: no.

You may find some people who were brought up as Quakers subsequently marrying non-Quakers, and being disowned, whose children may be baptised - but you won't find practising Quakers having their children baptised. The two things are mutually exclusive.

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Quaker Family History / Re: Advice on Quaker beliefs/ethics wanted
« on: Tuesday 02 May 17 08:02 BST (UK)  »
Monthly meeting minute books, and lots of other local Quaker records, can be found in county record offices, Martin. You'd first need to know which Quarterly meeting included the Monthly meeting. Quarterly meetings roughly correspond to the old counties, so that should give you a steer - but it's not an exact correspondence.

If you go to http://qfhs.co.uk/public_html/contents.htm#Locating%20meeting%20records (the Quaker Family History Society website), and scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll find a list of counties. Click on the one that interest you, and it'll take you to a page saying where the local records are held.

Ben

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Quaker Family History / Re: Advice on Quaker beliefs/ethics wanted
« on: Monday 01 May 17 08:25 BST (UK)  »
If they were already Quakers, it could well have resulted in disownment - but this may not have been forever. They could have continued as attenders during their disownment, and could be reinstated after a time. A Quaker great-great-grandfather of mine was disowned for getting a maidservant pregnant, but he and his wife continued attending Quaker meeting, and he was reinstated as a member seven years later.

If they only became Quakers after the first child's birth, this would have been investigated at the time they applied for membership. If they were suitably penitent this need not necessarily have been an obstacle.

You would probably find the detail of this in the monthly meeting minute books of the meeting concerned.

Ben

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Quaker Family History / Re: Daniel Wheeler born 1771
« on: Wednesday 10 August 16 08:31 BST (UK)  »
There's a bit in Edward H. Milligan's Biographical Dictionary of British Quakers in Commerce and Industry, in his article on William Hoyland, that adds some detail on Barbara. It reads (in part): "He married in 1787 Barbara Wheeler (1764-1829). Of the eight children recorded in Quaker registers, three sons and two daughters survived to adulthood. Barbara Wheeler had been brought up in the Established Church and (her parents having both died before she was out of her teens) she lived for a time with a family where she became 'unhappily entangled in the specious snares of scepticism and infidelity' (Testimony). When, however, at the age of 21, she visited friends in Yorkshire, she came to see these views as 'the innovations of folly, false philosophy and vain deceit' (ibid. She resumed church-going and, as she was not a Friend, the marriage was of neccesity 'before the priest'; for this William Hoyland was disowned by Balby MM. Their first years of married life were at 'Myrtle Bank', Handsworth Woodhouse, east of the town. In 1790, while in Sheffield itself and unable to get to her usual church, she attended Sheffield meeting and, later becoming convinced of Friends' principles and method of worship, was accepted into membership in 1792, her husband being reinstated shortly afterwards. Her gift in the vocal ministry was acknowledged by the monthly meeting." She moved to Bradford a few years after her husband's death.

Milligan cites the Testimony of Brighouse MM concerning Barbara Hoyland, in 'Testimonies concerning ministers deceased', v.350-3

On a personal note, William Frazer Hoyland, son of William and Barbara Hoyland, married my 1st cousin 5x removed, Hannah Walker.

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Quaker Family History / Re: Were "Non-members" buried by Quakers?
« on: Wednesday 03 August 16 08:15 BST (UK)  »
"Not a member" means that he was not a member of the Society of Friends at the time of his death. It may be that he had previously been a member, but had been 'disowned', perhaps for marrying a non-Friend. Or he may have been attracted to Quakers and attending meetings, but without actually applying for membership. Or it may be that a close family member had been a Quaker.

I can see that the Quaker registers in RG 6 have 10 records relating to Guthrie burials (of 7 individuals), but no births or marriages, so it's unlikely that your Guthries were ever in membership. These individuals look like they relate to a single couple and some of their children. My guess is that one or both of the parents had been attracted to Quakerism and had been attending Quaker meetings, but had not applied for, or been accepted into, membership.

Your guess about the Pritchard name is a possibility, in that it could be a name on the mother's side of the family. I can see that there were quite a few Quaker Pritchards, including some also buried at Bunhill Fields. But there is no birth for an Eleanor Pritchard, who could qualify as the mother in your Guthrie family. It could be a maternal-line name from an earlier generation, but equally it might not necessarily imply anything about Quakers in the family.

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Quaker Family History / Re: London Quakers
« on: Thursday 08 October 15 23:24 BST (UK)  »
Only if the parents weren't Quakers at the time - though they could have joined the Society of Friends later.

When I enter 'Vaus' in the search box it comes up with 31 entries. These include 9 births, but of variant spellings. Some of these could be relevant.

The earliest Vaus burial entries are all for people born before the start of Quakerism (usually taken as 1652). So you wouldn't expect to find their births in Quaker records (though sometimes these are recorded retrospectively).

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Quaker Family History / Re: London Quakers
« on: Tuesday 06 October 15 13:43 BST (UK)  »
All the Quaker BMDs pre-1837 are online at Ancestry (and note it is is births, not baptisms, which Quakers didn't do.)

Even easier, unless you want to see original images: the Quaker Family History Society http://qfhs.co.uk/index.html has published a digital transcript of the digest registers for the whole of London and Middlesex on CD.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: John Winder Watson 1823-1903 - A Quaker?
« on: Friday 11 September 15 13:27 BST (UK)  »
Yes, definitely Quaker. All the Quaker BMDs for England & Wales, up to 1837, are now on Ancestry. PRO Class RG 6.

There is a biographical entry on John Winder Watson in Edward H. Milligan's Biographical Dictionary of British Quakers in Commerce and Industry 1775-1920 (2007, Sessions Book Trust).

Ben

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