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Armed Forces / Re: Tracing a Royal Marine in the 1861 census
« on: Wednesday 22 May 24 14:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for investigating this one, Andy. It's helpful to know how to search for men who were aboard ships as I have some other gaps to fill elsewhere.

At first glance, none looks like the William White I am looking for. I shall have to investigate which shops might have been involved in transporting the marines back to Plymouth.

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Armed Forces / Re: Tracing a Royal Marine in the 1861 census
« on: Wednesday 22 May 24 10:22 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Andy.

I'm not entirely certain what that means. Is there an entry for a vessel that would have his name and rank listed for the 1861 (and other) census returns.

I have come across other such records looking for this man previously which helped me check I had the right William White. It's maybe knowing how to search for it.

He was in 31 Company at Plymouth Division if that helps.

Thanks again.

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Armed Forces / Tracing a Royal Marine in the 1861 census
« on: Wednesday 22 May 24 06:24 BST (UK)  »
I recently posted about a marine William White on Vancouver Island in the 1861 census which led me to conclude I had the wrong service records for my GG grandfather.

I am now in possession of the correct records from TNA which turn out to be far more interesting...

Between 1857 and 1861 (April 18) he was with the 'China Batt' and there is mention in his records about the seizing of Canton and the action on White Cloud Mountain.

I have so far been unable to locate him in the 1861 census taken just a few days before his disembarkation date. I wondered how one searched for someone on military service in the census. He was William White b 1835 in Wiveliscombe, Somerset. I don't have names for the ship he would have been on.

Any help would be much appreciated.


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Ireland / Re: Ann from Castlemartyr b1797
« on: Thursday 02 May 24 09:18 BST (UK)  »
It is Moreleigh in Devon but there are a few cases of Morley being used. It's a very small village that was probably not known much further afield!

Thinking about possible clues - John Locke possibly went to Ireland in 1815. He was discharged in 1825. There is hopefully a record of the marriage either from a local church or perhaps an army record...

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Ireland / Re: Ann from Castlemartyr b1797
« on: Thursday 02 May 24 09:03 BST (UK)  »
The children that I am aware of were all born in Moreleigh, Devon. Jane the eldest in 1828 then the youngest (twins) in 1836 although both died shortly after.

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Ireland / Ann from Castlemartyr b1797
« on: Tuesday 30 April 24 22:21 BST (UK)  »
I have a ggg grandmother born in 1797 in Castlemartyr, Cork that I am keen to discover a little more about. Unfortunately, I don't even have a maiden name.

I don't have much to go on from before she came to England in 1825. The census returns suggest she was born in 1797 in Castlemartyr. She later married an English soldier John Lock(e), a private in the Royal Artillery. He was discharged from Dublin in 1825 and the pair made their way to Moreleigh in Devon.

I don't believe they had any children in Ireland but there were 6 born in Devon and perhaps with two of them being given the middle name of Evans, this might be a maiden name?

Unfortunately, that is all I have to go on. Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thank you.
 


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Armed Forces / Re: 1841 Army Pensioner in Devon - where to start...
« on: Sunday 28 April 24 22:37 BST (UK)  »
It's taken a little while to get back to the research into John Locke, Royal Artillery gunner and driver that Shaun very helpfully identified.

I tried to find out more about the 2nd battalion, what they were doing in Plymouth in 1807 and then Dublin 1825. I've not researched an ancestor with an army link previously - it's only been the RN and marines to date so something of a new area.

I came across an interesting document detailing the commanding officers of various RA companies of the second battalion and the location of the company at various times between 1807 and 1825. There were 10 companies in 1807 later reduced to 8 in 1825 when the company that I suspect John Locke was serving in was named 1st Coy. Only one seems to give a possible time in Plymouth in 1807 and then be in Dublin in 1825... 

The company was involved in the disastrous expedition to Walcheren in 1809 before going to Scotland in 1812 and Ireland in 1815 where John Locke spent 10 years before being discharged on medical grounds. Whether the weak constitution referred to in the discharge was a consequence of Walcheren Fever is a matter of speculation but it sounded terrible.

I will try to find out more about the activities of the company throughout the years John served.  There are a few questions that I would like to answer...

The company moved from Sicily to England in 1807 maybe as late as September. I am guessing that this was Plymouth just simply because John signed up in Plymouth in March 1807. I would be interested to know what that process involved and why the artillery. Would he have met a recruitment sergeant in his hometown of Kingsbridge then gone into Plymouth. Would the recruiter have been connected with the artillery or was it just a matter of whatever regiment was billeted in Plymouth at that time?

During his time in Ireland he got married - the discharge papers mention a daily marching allowance for his wife to travel from Dublin to Plymouth. I've not managed to locate the wife in Ireland but on return to Devon, John and Ann Lock(e) settled in Moreleigh where they later appear in the 1841 census before John died in 1845. Ann subsequently moved to Plymouth where she lived a long life and provided a few clues in the census returns. She lists her place of birth as Castlemartyr in Cork and a year of birth of 1797.

I'm not sure whether any records will exist in Ireland - I was advised that there was a fire that destroyed many records in the 1920s. Any suggestions on this would be very welcome.

Many thanks.

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Somerset / Re: Missing John White from Wiveliscombe after 1851
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 09:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Amondg for your thoughts on this. I was aware of the death of Izott.

I've got a bit of digging to do on this - the Australian contingent of the White family have been well studied by a distant cousin in NSW but she had struggled with William and John. I was under the impression that James had gone but maybe not! Perhaps he is relatively easy to track down if he stayed close to Wiveliscombe.

I am still trying to track down the right William White's Royal Marine records - for the past couple of years I had the wrong William's record which on close examination turned out to be a false lead. I think he joined the Marines just as the rest of the family were going to Australia. 

I'll have to collate the various John Whites in and around Wiveliscombe to see whether there are any candidates that match your suggestions.

Thanks! I appreciate your efforts and will update when I have something to report.

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Somerset / Missing John White from Wiveliscombe after 1851
« on: Monday 22 April 24 23:40 BST (UK)  »
My GG grandfather William White was born in Wiveliscombe Somerset in 1836. He was one of 11 children born to John (sr) and Elizabeth White. The family are there in the 1841 and 1851 census returns but not to be found after that date.

In 1857 The entire family except William and John (jr) move to Australia. William goes to Plymouth and joins the Royal Marines but I have no idea what happened to John.

John was born in Feb 1831 and was later recorded as a plumber and glazier in the 1851 census.

I have been in contact with a descendent of those that moved to Australia. Australian records suggest that the fate of William and John were unknown to John (Sr) as recorded on his death records.   

If anyone is able to find an opening here that would be wonderful.

Thank you in advance!

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