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Sutherland / Re: Donald ROSS & Kennethina DINGWALL
« on: Tuesday 28 July 20 01:42 BST (UK)  »
wilros, as you will notice from Donald's birth registration, Donald was born out of wedlock [antinuptial fornicators] on 10 April 1832, to Hugh ROSS and Peggy FRASER of Shinness.  This comes from the OPR for Lairg.  I have searched and searched and friends have looked in New Edinburgh House for a marriage of Peggy and Hugh and we have come to the conclusion there may have been a handfasting for there to be no official marriage notice anywhere.  Of course, we may yet find something.

Peggy and Hugh went on to have children: Janet b c1883; George b 1835; Charles b 1837; John b 1840; Hugh b 1842; Andrew b 1847; Barbara b c1848 and William b c1852. Some also have an Adam b c1845 although this information came from the 1851 census and other researchers believe Adam may, in fact, be Andrew.  This is the only place I have found Adam, so he may also have died early.  In the early days of my research, I had help from people of Lairg or the County Sutherland email list. 

On roots chat, I got information from the Durness Parish Register regarding the DINGWALL family beginning at Alexander, Neil's father.  I have, just recently, been searching on Ancestry to find this family and source documents.  I have also been searching on Scotland's People.  I have Kennina's birth registration image and also have found her birth on the Free Church Records of Durness where she is Kennethina.  In 1881 the family were residing at Midpenny, Lairg, Donald and Kennethina have children Hugh aged 7; Mary A aged 5 and Charles aged 2 along with Jessie DINGWALL aged 34, who was working as a general domestic and presumably a sister of Kennethina, likely Janet.  In 1901 further children, Neelina aged 17; Jessie aged 12 and Robert aged 10 were living with Donald and Kennethina.  The family were living at Achunaern, Lairg.

I do have a document for a Robert Dingwall ROSS b 23 October 1890 who was living in Chelsea, London working as an Engineers Fitter [electric] and he may be a different ROSS-DINGWALL connection.  I will continue to search for more information on Robert today.

I will pm my email address.

Jeni

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Sutherland / Re: Donald ROSS & Kennethina DINGWALL
« on: Sunday 26 July 20 06:08 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, wilros, I have just been checking the information I have over the past few weeks.  As I had mentioned in my message earlier Donald ROSS is the brother of my g-grandfather, Hugh ROSS.  This is my mother's family on the maternal side. 

My grandmother, Alice Louisa ROSS is the daughter of Hugh ROSS from Lairg, Sutherland.  Hugh was the son of Hugh ROSS and Margaret FRASER.  Alice married Duncan Charlton LIVINGSTON in Kimbell, near Fairlie in Canterbury, New Zealand, on 3 April 1912. 

I have managed to take my ROSS family back to my 3x g-grandparents, Donald ROSS and Janet MACKAY of Lairg, Sutherland.  Do you have much more information on this family of Donald and Kennethina?
Jeni

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Lu

Thanks for this information.  I am sure that could well be Victoria who married Joseph SMART.  I wonder whether the GAIN family were all from Waterford.  There is not much information on them that I can find at the moment.  May need to go into town one day soon and check the library ancestry.  Find out the parents and other siblings etc.

I think I might check Joseph's brother mentioned in the article about his death.  Joseph is buried in Linwood Cemetery in Christchurch, near where he resided at the time of his death.  Victoria is buried in Sydenham Cemetery, also in Christchurch.  I haven't found children for them yet, maybe they didn't have any.

Jeni

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More information regarding the death of Joseph SMART
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19130709.2.56?end_date=31-12-1913&items_per_page=10&page=27&query=%22Smart%22+joseph&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1913

Haven't found any funeral notice and they may have kept that quiet under the circumstances.

Still looking.

Jeni

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Found!

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19130710.2.24.5?end_date=31-12-1913&items_per_page=10&page=2&query=%22Smart%22+joseph&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1913

Sad story, and he worked on the Railways at Lyttelton.  Must be the man who was witness to the marriage of Rose Anne GAIN and Richard CHAMPION also Elizabeth GAIN and Joseph PAGE. 

Jeni

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Wendy

Sorry to hear you have been unwell.  I hope you're feeling better now, or on the road to recovery if not better already.

I see what you mean about Linart instead of Smart.  I read it as Smart and  it could so easily be Linart.  I am inclined to think it is Smart though.  In 1880, on the registration, he was residing in Waimate.

Archway has a Joseph Smart applying for Clerk of Works job at Waimate Hospital in 1878.  I also found there is an Inward Letters and Registered Files from the Resident Magistrate in Waimate in 1883, subject - Charles Bateman appointed Bailiff vice Joseph Smart resigned.  In 1892 there is an application for employment in Lyttelton.  In 1913 there was a Coroner's Request file in Canterbury for a Joseph Smart.  This Joseph is in NZBMD folio 1913/4623.  Archway have no mention of a Joseph Linart.  In searching on google I found Linart is a New England name.

Family Search have probates for 2 Joseph Smart's, one a Police Constable from Queenstown [1916] and the other a Brickmaker from Devonport [1905].

And checking my Kiwi Index from NZSG there is a Joseph Smart married a Victoria GAIN in 1878!  I got her forename from NZBMDs, folio 1878/1485.  In 1893 in the Women's Electoral Roll, Victoria SMART lived in Jackson's Road, Lyttelton.  I couldn't find probate for Victoria SMART.

Looking at Papers Past I find Victoria died 7 January 1913 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19130107.2.34?items_per_page=10&query=%22Smart%22+victoria+joseph&snippet=true 
She is buried in Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch.  The Joseph died in July 1913 is buried elsewhere so he may not be her husband.  Now to find Victoria's husband.

Jeni

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minniehaha

As someone connected to the CHAMPION family, I do appreciate the effort you and the others have put into this.

Thank you

Jeni

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minniehaha

I will take a closer look at your information tomorrow.  I had a quick look tonight and have come across Joseph Francis and Eliza PAGE ms MEES living in Lyttelton, and they are the ones mentioned in the death notice and the probate and could not be the right Joseph and Elizabeth PAGE.  I have checked the probate and sure enough there is a daughter Annie Rebecca mentioned in the will.  Take a look here - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Page-3675 

oops, have just checked back and Lucy2 did mention this may be a second marriage for Joseph.  Tomorrow...

Jeni

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minniehaha

Thank you.  Are you connected to this family at all?

Jeni

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