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thanks so much for your help.

The children were born in ireland from 1889 and there were there until about 1911 onwards hard to tell when they left, then moved to wales. William died in 1920 in swansea, hence when theres no 1891 and 1901 records in england. I have those Irish records from the irelands national records. thats all good. just missing the earlier stuff. Bessie was born in devon 11 January 1864 and William sometime  early jan
february, march or even as far as April 1859 as per the irish census records which i pinned down by the dates of the census. perhaps even on the cuspe of march april. this again ties into the robert ashby census records. Bessie visits her sister Ellen on the 1891 census with jane elizabeth as a child in devon, which is where i found her family roots.

i found Aine on Ancestry and sent them a message thanks also for trying. i also found their tree which doesnt include william but he is there in their census records, perhaps not updated their tree.

Like you i think Robert/Hannah is Williams parents.

Again thanks for your help.

Hi Carole

Thanks for your help and you answered my question.

Sadly looks like we arent related my relative William Ashby was born in 1859 and married Elizabeth (Ann) Thorne 1864 and can find records for her, but nothing for William, back to the drawing board.

Thanks for your time though much appreciated.

thanks
Aaron