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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 22:16 GMT (UK) »
Ooh found it!!
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 20:50 GMT (UK) »1891 indexed as Farrall & in lodgings. All b Manchester
Ann 35 b Manchester - widow
Edward 18
Mary E 16
James 13
There is another Farrell family below the entry for Ann
RG12/3248/21/35
I’ve never seen that before!!! And I can’t find it :/
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 19:06 GMT (UK) »I think Patrick Farrell married Ann Egan in 1870
1871 has them as boarders
Patrick 22 b Ireland
Ann 19 b Manchester
RG19/4053/15/23
Cannot find any Farrell/Egan births on GRO index up to 1880
Thank you Carole. You know i think I’ve done that search too at some point.
I’ve got to the stage where I’m going round in circles with the same documents and records.
At what point do I give up. I’m not ready to let them go! Haha but I think I’m coming to a dead end with the research
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 18:08 GMT (UK) »So you have James' marriage cert. stating father Patrick.
Yes. Patrick, a sawyer, deceased.
Witnesses were Mary Ellen White and John William White
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 17:58 GMT (UK) »You might need to get James' marriage cert.Do you mean Patrick? I don’t know Anns maiden name so don’t know which is theirs. I have James and Edith’s marriage cert
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 17:49 GMT (UK) »I take it his father's name of Patrick was taken from his marriage.
The reason I ask is that I was drawn to an 1881 entry for a James Farrell b.1877 Salford living with his Grandmother Jane Mulholland. There is a marriage in 1873 for a Sarah Mulholland & on the same page a Bernard Farrell.
Jane died in 1887 meaning James was now orphaned aged 10/11.
A common name of course so might not be him.
The only James with father Patrick I can see wasn't orphaned.
Aaah! Thank you for your efforts. I don’t think I ever found a census with James and a father of Patrick.
I took the names Mary Ellen white and John William white from James and Edith’s marriage cert as the witnesses and found them living with an older lady, ‘mother in law’, Ann Farrell on the 1901 census. I found a census record decades earlier , 1971, in Manchester, showing a Patrick Farrell, a sawyer, living with wife Ann. Patrick was born in Ireland and Ann from Manchester.
I therefore think his parents are Patrick and Ann and sister is Mary. But didn’t ever find them during the years between or on the 1911
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 16:16 GMT (UK) »QuoteThis is not a definite but there are 3 James Farrells RAMC on the SWB list but just 1 attesting as early as 1903.I put this up earlier so it's possible they came back together & married & then he joined the army if it's him of course.
He is Pte. 3068 att. 9/12/03 & discharged 23/7/15 (wounds).
He went overseas at the outbreak of war (20/8/14) with 14 Field Ambulance, 14th. Brigade, 5th. Div.
All circumstantial of course but looks a distinct possibility.
There is no other information.
Have you found James in the UK on any census?
Thank you so much!
No. Unfortunately I haven’t !
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 15:58 GMT (UK) »How old are they on the 1903 marriage cert?
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18 and 23
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« on: Tuesday 12 November 19 15:56 GMT (UK) »If they met in Canada I would have expected them to arrive together in July 1903 given Edith was about 7mths pregnant. There doesn’t appear to be a 1911 entry for them either to verify birthyear/birthplace for John or Edith.
How old are they on the 1903 marriage cert?
No. They appear on none of the census. James was in the army so I wouldn’t have expected them to travel back together.
The family stories say that my gt grandfather John was Irish Canadian and we didn’t know why. James came from Irish background and the Irish community seemed not to take part in the official recordings.
I’ve spent months and months taking bits of information, it’s really hard to relay all that properly so it makes sense as it does to me. Hope that makes sense.
Whethe or not James was John’s biological father is something that’ll never be proven but John named 2 of his children after his parents. James and Edith. He must’ve loved them both very much