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P.S.  I checked the marriages in Cromhall and Tytherington (they are both on the CD from the Glos. Family History Society).  No luck there, either.

Eric

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Gillg,

Thank you so much for looking through the Wickwar parish marriage records for me.  Although you didn't find the marriage that I was looking for, the information you gave me is still quite useful to me.  I don't know who the John Pullin and the James Pullen are in the first two marriages you listed, which gives me some more research to do.  With the other two marriages, I knew about them, but not the dates.  John Pullin (who married Rebecca Alway) - and Ann Briard Pullin - were siblings who were both first cousins of my GG-GF Thomas Pullin.   John Pullen was also first cousin of my GG-GF Thomas Pullin (and first cousin of his wife, Ann Briard Pullin).

I had assumed that the James Pullen marriage to an Ann that I had been looking for would have been in Wickwar, since the children born on either side of the years of the marriage had been born in Wickwar, but that assumption must have been wrong.  The first wife, Elizabeth, died 11 Apr 1814 in Wickwar, and was buried 3 days later in Cromhall.  Some of the other likely places that they could have married might have been Cromhall or Tytherington.   

Thanks again for your help!

Eric

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Is there anyone who has access to the marriage records for Wickwar for the 1808 to 1820 time period?  I am looking for the marriage of a James Pullin or Pullen, to an Ann in that time, and am particularly interested to know if it says if he was a widower.

There is a James Pullin or Pullen born about 1774 or 1775 in Gloucestershire.  In June 1799 he married Elizabeth Pullen in Tytherington, and they had 4 children between 1800 and 1808, with the first in Cromhall and the others in Wickwar; Elizabeth died in 1814 in Wickwar. 

There is then a James Pullen or Pullin, born about 1774 or 1775 and who died in 1839 in Tytherington, who married an Ann, born in Thornbury in about 1793, presumably sometime on or before 1820, and they then had 8 children between 1820 and 1839, the first 3 in Wickwar, and the rest born in Tytherington.  I am assuming that they were married in Wickwar.

I believe that the two James are the same person.  I am hoping that the information in the marriage register of James with Ann might help me confirm this.

Thank you,   :)

Eric

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Hi Carol,
Thanks for your help.  It is a confusing family, which has made it hard to trace.  I just had contact yesterday from another descendant of the Wakeman / Bitton family ,who told me that she has been confused her whole life about what her surname is supposed to be, in that many of her older relatives would go by one or the other surname at different times, and that they often had both names on their tombstones.

Nice theory about a trip to Poland, but I doubt it.  My understanding is that Abigail and Harry Schwartz separated or divorced in about 1885.  I am not certain it is the same person (since the marriage certificate I obtained had the father of the groom space left blank), but I think Henry Schwartz might have remarried in November 1885, and is seen in the 1891 and 1901 census living in Newcastle Upon Tyne with wife Ellen and children.

Are there any missing pages in the 1891 census for the Whitechapel / Spitalfields area of London?

Eric

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: Bath (or other Someset) marriage lookup please
« on: Monday 27 November 06 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for looking, Anne!

Eric

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I am looking for 1891 or 1901 census reports on Abigail Wakeman, whose surname at various times included Bitton (her mother's maiden name), Schwartz (her first husband), Gibbs (her second husband), and perhaps Black (English translation of Schwartz) or King (rumored to be her third husband's surname).  I have seen her given name spelled as Abigail, Abby, Abbie and Abbigail.

Abby was born as Abigail Wakeman, on Feb. 8 1861 at 4 Dorset Street in Whitechapel / Spitalfields.   She is in the 1871 census as Abbie Wakeman, living with her sister Lucy Jacobs.   ???On 28 Sep 1878 she married (as Abigail Bitton, and listed as being age 20, with address 6 Widegate Street, Bishopsgate) to Henry Schwartz, listed as being age 22, a tailor, at 13 Windsor Street, Bishopsgate, with father Abraham Schwartz, deceased, also a tailor.  They both appear to have lied about their ages (which would have been 17 for Abby and about 18 for Henry), and best I can tell, his father Abraham didn't die until 1904.

Abby and Henry were married again on 22 Aug 1880 in the Jewish religion, at Scarboro Street Synagogue in Whitechapel. Henry again listed his age as 22, now correct, his address as 27 Pelham Street, and his father as Abraham Schwartz, tailor.  Abby got married this time as Abby Bitton, age 22 (close, as she was 21), and her address as 6 Pelham Street.

They are seen in the 1881 census, with the surname Schwartz, with his name misspelled as Harry and hers as Abbigail, with their daughter Sarah.  They had two more daughters, Rose in Nov 1881 and Amelia in 1883, and they divorced or at least separted later in the 1880's.  I have not been able to find any of them in the 1891 census. 

On 11 Oct 1892 Abigail Wakeman (listed as age 27 with father James, deceased) married a Joseph Gibbs.  They lived at 5 Crown Court, Great Pearl Street, Spitalfields (where I can find Joseph in the 1881 and 1891 census). 

Abby and Joseph Gibbs had a son Joseph born 15 Jan 1894, but Joseph (Sr) died on 8 Feb 1894 of typhoid fever, and their son died 2 weeks later.  She may later have married someone with a surname of King, but I have not been able to find any evidence of this.

I have not been able to find Abigail in the 1901 census, but I know that she did not die until 1928 or 1929.

Thanks for your help!
Eric

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Bath (or other Someset) marriage lookup please
« on: Saturday 25 November 06 08:53 GMT (UK)  »
I'm looking for a marriage of Ann Tucker and Thomas Deigan, and I haven't had any luck after lots of looking, so I would very much appreciate some help.

Ann Tucker, born 1831 in Hallatrow, High Littleton, Somerset (daughter of Joseph Tucker, a coal miner and Drucilla nee Hares) married a Thomas Deigan sometime in the 1850's.  In the 1851 Ann Tucker is living with her family in High Littleton, and in 1861 she is living as Ann Deigan, married, in Bath at 15 Burlington Street, Walcot, Bath, listed as married and as a servant and living with her son (listed as Thomas T Deigan, 18 months), but I cannot find her husband Thomas.  Their first son was Francis Thomas Deigan, born Sep 22 1859 at 5 Morford Street, Lansdown, Bath; their second son Joseph William was born Apr 2 1863 in Hampstead.

I cannot find a marriage for Ann Tucker and Thomas Deigan in High Littleton (or elsewhere so far), but since they had their first son in Bath in 1859, perhaps they got married in Bath.

Thank you!
Eric

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Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for trying to help!  Yes, I have found the 1871 census notation on Elizabeth Wakeman (who was a sister of Abigail) and the 1891 report on Nathan Wakeman and his family.  Nathan Wakeman was a brother of Abigail Wakeman.  I have also come across that John Bitton, but I don't think that he is related.

Other than Nathan and Elizabeth, Abigail's Wakeman's other siblings were Louisa (who was later Jacobs and then Raphael), Abraham, Ishemy / John, Dinah, Phoebe, and Joshua, with parents James and Sarah.  I have found a lot of census information on most of them; Abigail is just a puzzle to me as I have not been able to find her in either the 1891 or 1901 censuses.

Eric

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I would appreciate any help anyone can give me in trying to find Abigail (or Abby) Wakeman or her children in the 1891 or 1901 census. 

She was born as Abigail Wakeman, on Feb. 8 1961 at 4 Dorset Street in Whitechapel / Spitalfields.   She is found in the 1861 census as Abby Wakeman, age 2 months, living with her family, and in the 1871 census as Abbie Wakeman, and living with her sister, Lucy (Louisa) Jacobs.

On 28 Sep 1878 she married (as Abigail Bitton (Bitton was her mother's maiden name), and listed as being age 20, with address 6 Widegate Street, Bishopsgate, and father James Bitton, general dealer (who is in prior censuses as James Wakeman), deceased) to Henry Schwartz, listed as being age 22, a tailor, or 13 Windsor Street, Bishopsgate, with father Abraham Schwartz, deceased, also a tailor.  They were married at the Register office in London City, and the witnesses were listed as Joseph Raphael and Phoebe Bitton.  They both appear to have lied about their ages (which would have been 17 for Abby and about 18 for Henry), and his father Abraham didn't die until 1904.

Abby and Henry were married again on 22 Aug 1880 in the Jewish religion, at Scarboro Street Synagogue in Whitechapel.  Henry again listed his age as 22, now correct, his address as 27 Pelham Street, and his father as Abraham Schwartz, tailor (no mention this time of him being deceased).  Abby got married this time as Abby Bitton, age 22 (close, as she was 21), with father John Bitton, dead, and her address as 6 Pelham Street.  I have no other record of them having lived on Pelham Street, and I the street numbers are different, even though they were already married and had a child.

They are seen in the 1881 census, with surname Schwartz, with his name misspelled as Harry and hers as Abbigail, with their daughter Sarah, at 20 Hunt Street in Whitechapel.  They had two more daughters, Rose (or Rosie) in Nov 1881 and Amelia in August 1883.  For a long time I have searched for them in the 1891 census, and have not found any of them. 

I have a note that said that Abby and Henry had divorced in about 1885 or 1889.

Abigail is believed to have married at least one more time to someone with a last name of King, and that this King had two sons, one named John who was killed in WW1, and another named David who was a sergeant-major in the Royal artillery in WW1 and who may have died in Central America in about 1931, and they supposedly also had a daughter together named Dinah (who married a Harry Blythe).  Unfortunately, I have yet to find any documents to support this, except for:  a death certificate for Dinah Blythe (who was married to Harry Blythe, was born on 4 Feb 1895 according to her death certificate from 1974, but no maiden surname listed on it).  I can find no Dinah King born in 1895.  Mr. King supposedly eventually moved to Australia, but Abigail did not go with him, and Abigail supposedly died in 1928 or 1929.

I have also found that on 11 Oct 1892 Abigail Wakeman (listed as age 27 with father James, deceased) married a Joseph Gibbs.  Abby and Joseph Gibbs had a son Joseph born 15 Jan 1894, but Joseph (Sr) died on 8 Feb 1894 of typhoid fever, and their son died 2 weeks later. 

I have not been able to find Abigail in the 1901 census, or her daughter Amelia (Sarah had married in 1896 surname Springall, and I eventally found daughter, Rose, with the surname Black, which is English translation of Schwartz).  I have not been able to find Abby's marriage to a King or her death certificate.

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