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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry Assignment to Both Sides
« on: Monday 21 August 23 17:23 BST (UK)  »
As mentioned earlier, I have 74 "both sides" matches (previously this was 2).

From checking number of segments for each match:-
- only 1 match has 1 segment  (a 15cM match)
- 2 have 4 segments
- 5 have 3 segments
- 66 have 2 segments

So far, I haven't been able to make much sense of these matches.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry Assignment to Both Sides
« on: Saturday 19 August 23 12:49 BST (UK)  »
My "Both Sides" matches have jumped from 2 to 74 in latest update, ranging from 45cM to 8cM.

Not analysed them all yet but seems odd.

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The Common Room / Re: Baptised in mum's maiden name but after Mum's marraige?
« on: Tuesday 08 August 23 22:55 BST (UK)  »
I had a similar situation with my great grandmother Mary Kilshaw, who was baptised as Mary Dean, illegitimate daughter of Jane Dean, in 1842, even though her mother Jane Dean had married James Kilshaw in 1839.  Her birth certificate shows her as Mary Kilshaw, daughter of James Kilshaw and Jane Dean. This baffled me for a long time, even more when I found that exactly the same things happened with the birth and baptism of Mary's two siblings born in 1845 and 1848.

I eventually found the reason.  James Kilshaw was a bigamist and his "marriage" to Jane Dean was the bigamous one and, therefore, not legal.  He was imprisoned for 2 years at Lancaster Castle. I suspect the church minister was aware of the situation and baptised them accordingly as illegitimate children of Jane Dean. But for civil registration, it was acceptable to record them as Kilshaws, with both parents named.
 

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The Common Room / Re: ancestry half price offers
« on: Tuesday 15 November 22 12:43 GMT (UK)  »

Update on this thread - reply 93

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=832955.msg7381515

People are being offered 50% off the Worldwide subscription if they call Ancestry Support and ask if there are any deals as they have been a long standing member and can’t afford full price. That is a good deal as it means you get Worldwide for about the same amount you’d pay for the basic package. If the person you speak to can’t help, wait a day or so and try again and hope you get someone different!

Let us know if it works for you.

Sandra



This approach worked for me today.  50% off Worldwide Annual.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscription Discount
« on: Tuesday 01 November 22 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
I also can't get this to work for me, it's worked fine for the last 2 years.

I've been trying for 2-3 days, tried everything that Purpeller has done and Sandra has suggested, including clearing cache & cookies, different browser, different computer etc.  I just get the 1 month/6 month offer page each time.

I'll persevere a bit longer ...... but maybe it has been pulled.

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The Common Room / Re: England & Wales birth certificate 1961, adoption?
« on: Wednesday 02 February 22 10:23 GMT (UK)  »
I've seen several original birth certificates for adopted children, and each has the word "Adopted" written in the margin at the right-hand side, there's no other information about the adoption.

These links below might be useful. The first link shows a reply from General Register Office confirming that:- "The original birth record is not removed following an adoption, however, the entry in the birth register is annotated with the word "adopted" in the margin and all subsequent copies of the entry will show the annotation."

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_certificates_of_adopted_ch

https://blog.vitalcertificates.co.uk/i-was-adopted-how-can-i-get-a-copy-of-my-birth-certificate/

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records

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The Common Room / Re: England & Wales birth certificate 1961, adoption?
« on: Tuesday 01 February 22 23:13 GMT (UK)  »
From my understanding and experience, there will have been been 2 birth certificates issued:-

1) original birth certificate under birth name, showing birth parents, "Adoption" written against entry

2) adoption birth certificate (certified copy of entry from Adoption Children Register) under adopted name
- this replaces original birth certificate for adopted child
- shows adoptive parents & adoption order date/place,
- no reference to birth name or birth parents

In many cases, an adopted person might not see the original or know the information on it.

Hope this helps.
  Malcolm 

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The Common Room / Re: 1921 Census - Adopted Children
« on: Saturday 08 January 22 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
It could be that Gerald & Hetty were not paying for their board.  Someone else might have been paying (the biological father??) or maybe they weren't paying at all, particularly if this was their adoptive family.  I think terms such as boarder/lodger/visitor were used fairly loosely at times if the householder wasn't sure what to call them.

Malcolm

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The Common Room / Re: 1921 Census - Adopted Children
« on: Friday 07 January 22 14:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,


I've just gotten the 1921 census entry (very exciting day!) for my great-granddad, Gerald, who was adopted as a child. I know nothing about his biological nor adoptive family.

In the previous census he lived with his biological father and his older siblings, Hetty and William. In the 1921 census, he lives with a new family, and Hetty (who was still under 18) but not with William (who was in his 20's).

Gerald and Hetty are both listed as boarders in this household with no mention of being adopted such as being listed as "adopted son" or "adopted granddaughter" - is boarder the usual terminology for adopted children in censuses or is this family he is boarding with not likely his adoptive family?


Thank you for any help,
Ell

Hi

A "Boarder" is someone who lives in the household and makes payment for their accommodation.  It's similar to a "Lodger", the difference being that a lodger pays for use of a room only, a boarder pays for a room and meals.  Lodgers were supposed to be treated as a separate household with their own census form (this doesn't always happen). Boarders should have their details entered with the household. I've found in my research in various census years that boarders and lodgers can sometimes be family members but not always, it's more likely with boarders.

There was no formal legal adoption in England & Wales until 1926 (few years later in Scotland & N.Ireland) so unlikely to be shown in 1921.  There were "adoptions" before then but these were informal unofficial arrangements.

Hope this helps.
   Malcolm
 

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