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Australia / Re: William Candy (1792-1856) & Harriet Ellett (1800-1865)
« on: Monday 12 July 21 04:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Sue,

I suspected as much.

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Australia / Re: William Candy (1792-1856) & Harriet Ellett (1800-1865)
« on: Friday 09 July 21 02:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sue,

I think you are correct in suggesting Maria Huggins was staying with Mr Edward Wallop and Eliza Huggins in 1861.

Going down this rabbit hole a little further I found I had two Eliza Huggins listed as children of John Huggins and Anne Bond.

1. Eliza Huggins.
Born 1822 in Gloucester, died 1863 in Gloucester.
Married 5th Nov, in Gloucester to Edward Richard Wallop.
We are pretty this Eliza is the Aunt of Maria Huggins and belongs in the family.

2. Eliza Anna Huggins.
Born 15 March 1822 in Bristol, died Oct 1906 in Bristol.
Married to James Nunan in 1862 in Bristol.

My first thought was that I had the death date for Eliza Huggins number 1 incorrect and the two women were the same person with her remarrying James Nunan. However, I found that Edward Wallop died in 1865 and now I am about 70% convinced that Eliza Anna Huggins number 2 belongs with a different set of parents. If you wanted another thing to have a look at I would love some evidence confirming this one way or the other (If possible). I will continue looking at it myself too.

Thank you, hope you are keeping safe.
Phil.

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Australia / Re: William Candy (1792-1856) & Harriet Ellett (1800-1865)
« on: Thursday 24 June 21 01:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sue,

The details for Richard Cook and Maria Huggins match what I have up to a point.
They were married in 1866, I have the same certificate.
The census details for 1871 match too.

But then what you have for 1881 and 1891 don't match what I have. I have that Maria dies in 1920 and Richard dies in 1911. Neither remarry.

It's good to receive confirmation that there are no children.

For Maria Huggins, I have found one who lived as a girl with her aunt Ann Mayer who kept a lodging house. But I cannot find this Ann Mayer in my tree and am unsure if the two are even related. I am quite sure this Maria Huggins is the correct one, her mother died a few years before this census was taken.
https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=8860&h=7700765&indiv=try (1851 Gloucestershire Census).
I cannot find Maria Huggins again until she is married to Richard Cook. I also cannot find what her father William Huggins is doing at the time.

Thanks, Phil.

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Australia / Re: William Candy (1792-1856) & Harriet Ellett (1800-1865)
« on: Thursday 17 June 21 03:17 BST (UK)  »
@Sparrett and @Shume
I have Thomas Candy's arrival in Melbourne on the "Glen Huntly" on the 9th Jan, 1850. Your information about Eliza Lack (Elizabeth Ann Lack) arriving in 1855 corroborates what I have too. Their first child I have listed is Clara Jane Candy (born 17 July 1856 in Collingwood, died 19 Jan 1857 in Collingwood, Australia). Now that I have a think about it, I remember that Melbourne had a big stone boom around that time with many houses of that era having decorative stonework on top of the roofs.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4774091#
This "Argus" page you linked from 1850 has an advertisement for Thomas and his older brother William's Stonemason business in Collingwood. William arrived in Melbourne on the 21st of October 1849.
I didn't have Thomas Candy's travel to Adelaide on the "Queen of Sheba" in 1852. After a little bit of looking online I found that stonework became very popular in Adelaide at the time so it makes sense that he would travel there for work. I also didn't have the travel to Hobart in 1857 either. I knew he was there around the time as their son Alfred Charles Lack Candy was born there in Dec 1857.
This is all very interesting in piecing together the events and building Thomas and Elizabeth's life story.

With regards to the monument at Melbourne general, I have visited there previously but not for many years.

Now I will move on to George Candy and his family.
I have got the details about George, Eliza and Harriet Jane's admissions. Very hot water with the law is a bit of an understatement!

I did already have that information about Mary Ann Candy and William Huggins and their children. I was wondering if there was a bit more info around on Maria Huggins (Their youngest daughter) and Richard Cook her husband.

Thank you, Philip.

Note: I had a stroke a decade ago and am unable to respond to posts and messages without the aid of my computer helper who visits me about once a week (Assuming we're not in lockdown). Please know I am reading all your responses and responding as I am able.


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Australia / William Candy (1792-1856) & Harriet Ellett (1800-1865)
« on: Friday 11 June 21 07:01 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone,

I am interested in finding out more about my 3rd great grandparents William Candy and Harriet Ellett and their children. William and Harriet lived in Dorset, Somerset, then lived in Gloucester where they had most of their children before moving to Melbourne, Australia.

Although William and Harriet lived most of their lives in Somerset, England, William died in Collingwood, Victoria, and many of their children migrated to Australia. I was hoping that some of the Australian connections might spark someone's interest or memory.

Here are the details of William, Harriet and their children.
William Candy
Born: 4 Aug 1792 Frome, Somerset, England
Died: 15 Sep 1856 Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 25 Jul 1819 Lyme Regis, Dorset, England
Harriet Ellett
Born: 30 Nov 1800 Chardstock, Dorset, England
Died: 25 Mar 1865 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia

Their children are

Mary Ann Candy
Born: 1 May 1820 Lyme Regis, Dorset, England
Died: 18 Feb 1849 Suffolk Street, Gloucester, England
William Huggins
Marriage: 14 Sep 1840 St Mary Chapel, Gloucestershire, England Born: 10 Oct 1819 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: Apr 1866 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

William Candy
Born: 18 Feb 1822 Frome, Somerset, England
Died: 8 Feb 1897 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 7 May 1849 Independent Chapel, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Smith Born: 29 Jun 1825 Great Comberton, Worcestershire, England
Died: 25 Feb 1904 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia   

Harriet Candy
Born: 18 Feb 1823 Wotton-under-Edge, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 30 Jul 1885 Worcester, England
Marriage: 12 Sep 1848 Independent Chapel, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Morris Rogers Born: 14 Jun 14 Jun 1821 St Mary Magdalene, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 10 Mar 1909 Brooklands Camps Hill Road, Worcestershire, England

Thomas Candy Born: 8 Nov 1826 St Nicholas, Gloucestershire, England
Died: “Roselea”, 11 Apr 1905 Croydon, Surrey, England
Elizabeth Ann Lack
Born: 24 Jan 1829 Holkham, Norfolk, England
Died: 21 Sep 1872 3 Bensham Lane, Croydon, Surrey, England
Marriage: 6 Sep 1848 St Withberga, Holkham, England
Thomas' second wife.
Elizabeth Uzzell Born: Oct 1839 Cirencester, Gloucester, England
Died: 24 Oct 1928 Croydon, Surrey, England
Marriage: 15 Dec 1874 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

Francis (Frank) Candy 
Born: 4 May 1829, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 1861 Victoria, Australia
Eliza Bick 
Born: 25 Sep 1830 Baronwood, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 1860 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Marriage: 2 Apr 1851 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

Jane Candy
Born: 5 May 1832 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 12 Oct 1874 Northcote, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 21 Dec 1854 St Mary de Lode, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Charles James Jackson Born: 1820 Uley, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 28 Nov 1911 Northcote, Victoria, Australia

George Candy
Born: 7 Feb 1834 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 7 Oct 1915 Beechworth, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 18 Dec 1860 St Peter’s Anglican Church, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Eliza Gardiner
Born: 16 Oct 1842 Castlemaner, Cork, Ireland
Died: 3 Jul 1929 Beechworth, Victoria, Australia

They also had an eight child who I don't know the name or sex of but was born in 1837 in Gloucester before dying on the 25th of April 1837, also in Gloucester.

In particular, I am interested in learning more about:

* I noticed that Thomas Candy and Elizabeth Ann Lack's first child (Clara Jane Candy (1856-1857)) was born and died in Melbourne, Australia, however, Thomas's later children were born in Gloucester and Surrey. I was wondering if someone would help me find immigration records for Thomas and his wife.
* George Candy is of particular interest, he was placed in the Asylum at Beechworth in the early 1870s for "Religious mania". Prior to that he was working in Collingwood as a stonemason. His wife, Eliza later entered the asylum at Beechworth.
* Mary Ann Candy (1820-1849) married a Mr William Huggins (1819-1866). Their second eldest child Jane Huggins (1844-1888) married a Mr William Hyam (1847-1924). I was hoping for any information about their children. Mr Hyam did remarry after Jane's death to a Kate Elizabeth Whitton (1861-1923).
* Harriet Candy (1823-1885) and her husband Henry Morris Rogers (1821-1909) and their child Henry Albert Rogers (1856-?). I would like to find out Henry Albert's date of death.

Thank you for any assistance, I hope everyone is staying safe and getting lots of family history work done.

Dr Philip Candy.

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Thank you AMBLY for taking the time to respond.

As you can see, I've done a lot of research about this branch of the tree already.

I didn't know anything about Henry Albert possibly going to South Africa as Henry Charles. So you've given me a brand new rabbit hole to dive down. I also didn't know the birth date either.

Thanks again, Dr Philip Candy.

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Hello everyone,

I am interested in finding out more about my 3rd great grandparents William Candy and Harriet Ellett and their children. William and Harriet lived in Dorset, Somerset, then lived in Gloucester where they had most of their children before moving to Melbourne, Australia.

Here are the details of William, Harriet and their children.
William Candy
Born: 4 Aug 1792 Frome, Somerset, England
Died: 15 Sep 1856 Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 25 Jul 1819 Lyme Regis, Dorset, England
Harriet Ellett
Born: 30 Nov 1800 Chardstock, Dorset, England
Died: 25 Mar 1865 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia

Their children are

Mary Ann Candy
Born: 1 May 1820 Lyme Regis, Dorset, England
Died: 18 Feb 1849 Suffolk Street, Gloucester, England
William Huggins
Marriage: 14 Sep 1840 St Mary Chapel, Gloucestershire, England Born: 10 Oct 1819 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: Apr 1866 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

William Candy
Born: 18 Feb 1822 Frome, Somerset, England
Died: 8 Feb 1897 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 7 May 1849 Independent Chapel, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Smith Born: 29 Jun 1825 Great Comberton, Worcestershire, England
Died: 25 Feb 1904 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia   

Harriet Candy
Born: 18 Feb 1823 Wotton-under-Edge, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 30 Jul 1885 Worcester, England
Marriage: 12 Sep 1848 Independent Chapel, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Morris Rogers Born: 14 Jun 14 Jun 1821 St Mary Magdalene, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 10 Mar 1909 Brooklands Camps Hill Road, Worcestershire, England

Thomas Candy Born: 8 Nov 1826 St Nicholas, Gloucestershire, England
Died: “Roselea”, 11 Apr 1905 Croydon, Surrey, England
Elizabeth Ann Lack
Born: 24 Jan 1829 Holkham, Norfolk, England
Died: 21 Sep 1872 3 Bensham Lane, Croydon, Surrey, England
Marriage: 6 Sep 1848 St Withberga, Holkham, England
Thomas' second wife.
Elizabeth Uzzell Born: Oct 1839 Cirencester, Gloucester, England
Died: 24 Oct 1928 Croydon, Surrey, England
Marriage: 15 Dec 1874 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England

Francis (Frank) Candy 
Born: 4 May 1829, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 1861 Victoria, Australia
Eliza Bick 
Born: 25 Sep 1830 Baronwood, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 1860 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Marriage: 2 Apr 1851 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

Jane Candy
Born: 5 May 1832 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 12 Oct 1874 Northcote, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 21 Dec 1854 St Mary de Lode, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Charles James Jackson Born: 1820 Uley, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 28 Nov 1911 Northcote, Victoria, Australia

George Candy
Born: 7 Feb 1834 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Died: 7 Oct 1915 Beechworth, Victoria, Australia
Marriage: 18 Dec 1860 St Peter’s Anglican Church, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Eliza Gardiner
Born: 16 Oct 1842 Castlemaner, Cork, Ireland
Died: 3 Jul 1929 Beechworth, Victoria, Australia

They also had an eight child who I don't know the name or sex of but was born in 1837 in Gloucester before dying on the 25th of April 1837, also in Gloucester.

In particular, I am interested in learning more about:
* Harriet Candy (1823-1885) and her husband Henry Morris Rogers (1821-1909) and their child Henry Albert Rogers (1856-?). I would like to find out Henry Albert's date of death.
* I noticed that Thomas Candy and Elizabeth Ann Lack's first child (Clara Jane Candy (1856-1857)) was born and died in Melbourne, Australia, however, Thomas's later children were born in Gloucester and Surrey. I was wondering is someone would help me find immigration records for Thomas and his wife.
* Mary Ann Candy (1820-1849) married a Mr William Huggins (1819-1866). Their second eldest child Jane Huggins (1844-1888) married a Mr William Hyam (1847-1924). I was hoping for any information about their children. Mr Hyam did remarry after Jane's death to a Kate Elizabeth Whitton (1861-1923).

Thank you for any assistance, I hope everyone is staying safe and getting lots of family history work done.

Dr Philip Candy.

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Warwickshire / Re: Henry Morris Rogers (1848)
« on: Tuesday 17 May 16 23:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

We have the marriage certificate for Henry Morris Rogers and Harriet Candy (1848) as well as Harriet's death certificate (1885). We know that Harriet's father is named William Candy and Henry's father is Samuel Rogers. We don't have much more information than this, just the names of their children and their years of birth.

Here is the information we have on Henry Morris Rogers:
Quote
Baptism 24th June 1821 Henry MORRIS s/o Elizabeth MORRIS, servant living in Tewkesbury - christened at Twyning, St Mary Magdalene
1841. Broadway, Worcs.David Burrows 15. Henry Rogers 20. Occupation looks like Iron M. or W.
1851 Census of Gloucester City (4-51)
ROGERS Henry 31 Ironmonger Twyning
Harriet 26 Froome
Elizabeth 1 Gloucester City
GOUGH Charles Shopman 22 Ironmonger
COLEMAN Mary Servant 16 Gloucester City

1861 census transcription details for:  College Street, St Michael, Worcester
National Archive Reference:
RG number:  RG09      Piece:  2093      Folio:  100      Page:  21         
Reg. District:    Worcester    Sub District:    3 South Worcester
Enum. District:    5F    Ecclesiastical District:    
Parish:    St Michael    City/Municipal Borough:    Worcester
Address:    College Street, St Michael, Worcester
County:    Worcestershire
      
Name    Relationship to Head of H'hold    Condition    Sex    Age    Profession/Occupation,
Disability    Where Born
ROGERS, Henry    Head    Married     M    39    Iron Monger    Tewkesbury Gloucestershire
ROGERS, Harriot    Wife    Married     F    35    Frome Somerset
ROGERS, Elizabeth    Daughter    Unmarried     F    11    Scholar    Gloucester
ROGERS, Clara L    Daughter    Unmarried     F    6    Scholar    Gloucester
ROGERS, Henry    Son    Unmarried     M    5    Scholar    Gloucester
ROGERS, Frederick    Son        M    3    Gloucester
ROGERS, John W    Son        M    2       Gloucester
MORGAN, Elizabeth    Servant    Unmarried     F    19    Servant    Gloucester Lydney

1871 census transcription details for:  York Place, Whistones, Worcester
National Archive Reference:
RG number:  RG10      Piece:  3049      Folio:  21      Page:  35         
Reg. District:    Worcester    Sub District:    Worcester, North
Enum. District:    1    Ecclesiastical District:    
Parish:    Whistones    City/Municipal Borough:    Worcester
Address:    York Place, Whistones, Worcester
County:    Worcestershire
Name    Relationship to Head of H'hold    Condition    Sex    Age    Profession/Occupation,    Where Born
ROGERS, Henry    Head        M    49       Gloucestershire
ROGERS, Harriet    Wife        F    44       Somerset
ROGERS, Elizabeth H    Daughter        F    21       Gloucestershire
ROGERS, Clara J    Daughter        F    16       Gloucestershire
ROGERS, Henry A    Son        M    15       Gloucestershire
ROGERS, Frederick C    Son        M    13       Gloucestershire
ROGERS, John M    Son        M    12       Gloucestershire

1881 Census of Worcester
 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 Henry ROGERS   Head   M   Male   59   Tewsbury, Gloucester, England   Ironmongers Shopman     
 Harriet ROGERS   Wife   M   Female   54   Wotton Under Edge, Gloucester, England       
 Fredrick C. ROGERS   Son   U   Male   23   City, Gloucester, England   Commercial Clerk Porcelain Works     
 John M. ROGERS   Son   U   Male   22   City, Gloucester, England   Commercial Clerk Porcelain Works     
~~~~~~~~
Source Information:
  Dwelling   The Tything 3 York Place
  Census Place Whistones, Worcester, England
  Family History Library Film   1341698
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   2915 / 22
  Page Number   36

In 1901 Census living Worcester:
Henry Rogers 80 Tewkesbury Glos Worcestershire Worcester Cb Part Retired Ironmonger

We are looking for more information on the children. Especially Elizabeth Harriet Rogers and John Morris Rogers.

1848 is the Marriage year for Henry/Harriet in Gloucestershire.


He the remarries 1888 Worcs to Anne Maria GEE.

1891 he is under HENNY Rogers born c 1875 Sausty, Gloucestershire !!
Wife Annie M Rogers born c 1851 Banbury

1901 they are still together Annie M Rogers born c 1851 Banbury, Oxfordshire and Henry Rogers born c 1821 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire,
Trish, I'm not sure that we're talking about the same person here. But I will research this lead. Thanks, it could be very helpful.

Thank you all, Phil. I'm going on holidays so I might not respond for a little while.

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Warwickshire / Henry Morris Rogers (1848)
« on: Monday 16 May 16 23:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone had any information about Henry Morris Rogers and his wife Harriet Candy and their children. I know the children's names are Henry Albert, Clara Jane, Elizabeth Harriet, William Henry and Frederic Charles.

Henry Morris Rogers was born in about 1821 and lived in Worcester for most of his life.

Thank you.

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