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The Common Room / Re: Finding female relatives
« on: Today at 09:16 »
There is this burial but it’s the wrong dob on 1990 death registration Birmingham ???

Mrs  Marion Baker
Burial date 29 Aug 1990
Cemetery Lodge Hill crematorium, Birmingham
Record set Warwickshire Burials

No further details on findagrave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/246557567/marion-baker

Marion Baker
Birth Date   20 Aug 1921

Not checked to see if this Marion is on 1939 register to rule!

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The Common Room / Re: Finding female relatives
« on: Yesterday at 22:42 »
Im looking for a female relative and hit a brick wall. Her name is Marion Baker, nee Brooke. Born 24 April 1919, married John Baker in Birmingham, Warks, Dec 1937. Ive been unable to trace any marriages or deaths or passenger, and am at a loss where to look next.  The records office say that a woman can use any name she chooses and likewise can be registered in the deaths under assumed name. doesn't the correct birth date have to be put on cert? 

Any ideas?

Marriage available to view on Ancestry her father Joseph Brooke, deceased

Married 11 Dec 1937 Birmingham, St Thomas, Warwickshire, Marion age 18

Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1939


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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Tuesday 30 April 24 16:57 BST (UK)  »

 I know they emigrated on the SS Niagara on 13 July 1847. I have 1850, 1855, 1860 and 1880 censuses for Peter and Martha. Martha died in March 1901 and is buried in Catskill, Greene County. I have yet to discover a death and burial for

I suspect John Stonyer died between 1860 and 1880 (I haven't yet found an 1870 US census for him or Elizabeth), but have yet to find a record of his death and burial. Elizabeth I have in 1880, but not after that, and again no death or burial. I will be looking further for these.


Residence Date   1875
Residence Place   Catskill, Greene, New York, USA
Peter Heath   58, Gardener
Martha Heath   48 wife
George Heath   11 son
Charles Heath   7 son
William Overpaugh   28 son in law
Patsy H Overpaugh   21 dau
Peter H Overpaugh   0 g/son

Peter H Overbaugh 1875 Greene, New York, USA
Father William Dewey Overbaugh Mother   Mary Hannah Heath

It could be that John died between 1860 - 1865

Residence Year 1865
Residence Place   Rensselaerville, Albany, New York, USA
Peter Heath   49   Head, miller
Martha Heath 40 wife
Peter S Heath   19   Son
Sarah Elizabeth G Heath   17   Daughter
Mary Hannah Heath   10   Daughter
George Heath   1   Son
Elizabeth Stonies   58   Mother-in-law
On this census Peter & Martha noted number of times married 1, Elizabeth noted as now widowed

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Ancestry of David Harris (1857-?) of Llanddarog
« on: Tuesday 30 April 24 10:27 BST (UK)  »

 I found Lettice's baptism record showing she was born on 13 January 1836 to William Lloyd and Anne Lewis in Llangendeirne.


On her baptism father William occupation farmer

Lettice Lloyd
Birth Date   13 Jan 1836   Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Baptism 20 Mar 1836 Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Denomination   Calvinistic Methodist
Father   Wm Lloyd Mother    Anne Lewis

I can’t find a marriage to  David Harris  ??? Nor can I find the family on 1861 census - Perhaps they didn’t marry ?

Is this Lettice on 1851 census?

Lettice Lloyd Age 16 born   Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire, Wales, servant
Civil Parish or Township   Llandefeilog
Town   Scyborfawr Carmarthenshire
Sub-registration district   Llangendeirne
Piece   2472
Folio   305
Page number   14

Have you seen this 1881 census entry could this be Lettice with her mother ?

Lettuce Davies Age   45  born   Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish   Llanelly
Street Address   28 Panteg Row
Condition as to marriage   Married
Piece   5375
Folio   92
Page number   7
Household Members
David Davies 48 Head occ  Railway (Ry Lab)
Ann Lloyd 79 Mother in Law Llandyfeilog, Carmarthenshire

Looks as if they married 1860

Letitia Lloyd age 21
Marriage 26 Oct 1860 St Trinity Church Felinfoel Llanelly
Father William Lloyd , farmer
Spouse David Davies 21 cc block layer father Daniel, gardener
Both made their mark, abode Felinfoel





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Carmarthenshire / Re: Ancestry of David Harris (1857-?) of Llanddarog
« on: Monday 29 April 24 23:48 BST (UK)  »


I am trying to trace the ancestry of David Harris, born on 1 May 1857 to William Harris and Lettice Lloyd in Llanddarog, according to his birth certificate.

 I cannot find a marriage record for William and Lettice.


What was his father’s occupation on birth certificate record and was there a street name in Llanddarog?

He married Ann Howells on 17 November 1877 and had at least 3 children, Elizabeth around 1879, Mary around 1881, and William in 1883.

I've found him in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

Is this the 1891 census

Piece   4486
Folio   7
Page number   8
Neath Rd Llansamlet
David Harris 34 Head coal mine fire man (dittoed born Llansamlet)
Ann Harris 43 Wife
Elizabeth Harris   12   Daughter Llansamlet
Mary Harris 10 Daughter Llansamlet
William Harris 8 Son Llansamlet

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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Monday 29 April 24 00:11 BST (UK)  »
Do you have Peter on 1841c? What year was he born?

Who were Martha’s parents?

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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Monday 29 April 24 00:02 BST (UK)  »
Not that this helps finding their marriage GRO index shows mmn STONGER

HEATH, JOHN  THOMAS     STONGER 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT UNION  Volume 17  Page 5

HEATH, PETER       STONGER 
GRO Reference: 1846  J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT UNION  Volume 17  Page 7

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 10:22 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Maddy for listing all the details about Frederick George Barfoot Snr.  :) I was going to take a look through the thread this morning, so no previous marriage!


Frederick George BARFOOT was baptised 25 July 1851 at Great Canford, Dorset, his mother Elizabeth Mary BARFOOT, single woman. Birth registered Poole (8/67) no mmn.

Elizabeth Mary  BARFOOT married Frederick DUKE 4 Nov 1851 at Great Canford (she was underage and  illegitimate too). Interestingly in the 1851 census Elizabeth Mary and her mother Amelia BARFOOT are visitors with Frederick DUKE at Corfe Hills, Canford.

As noted back at the beginning of the thread, Frederick and Elizabeth Mary DUKE baptise 4 children with surname DUKE in 1859, plus Frederick George BARFOOT on the same again - so he seems to have been baptised twice.

Frederick George BARFOOT can be found in the 1861 and 1871 census with Frederick and Elizabeth Mary DUKE in Canford (as Frederick G DUKE  in 1861 and George DUKE in 1871).

So there is 7 years between 1871 census in Canford and 1878 in Melton Mowbray where his first son(s) were born and died.


kevkev

Do you have any further information on the Frederick George Barfoot who was born and died 1878?

If he was Frederick and Fanny's child she would have been about 18, so if there is a marriage to be found I guess a time frame would be between 1876 -1878 and probably in Leicestershire :-\

I've looked on FreeBMD but NO Barfoot/Bend marriage to be found  ??? - there is a Frederick marrying a Fanny in Jun 1877 Melton M but their surnames are Rawson/Larkin and they can be found together on the 1881 census

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The extensive BARFOOT family
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 21:25 BST (UK)  »

Ladyhawk it was extremely kind of you to obtain the death information on Ellen Barfoot. It's so appreciated


kevkev no repayment necessary wanted to satisfy my own curiosity to know if it was Ellen’s mother who was the informant at her death :)


The death information on daughter Ellen clears things up a bit - I think, but I have wondered...since we found no marriage for Fanny to Frederick George Barfoot nor a marriage of Emma to Frederick George even though she was 'Barfoot' when marrying Lomas only that Emma is 'widow' in 1896 a year after Frederick George died

could both sisters have been involved with Frederick George?


I don’t think so as Fanny’s sister Emma Bend’s marriage, census records and death have all been found for her you need to look back through the thread for all the details.


We have a death for Emma Lomas but no Fanny with any familiar surname.
 
I still can't understand what happened to Fanny since we know there was a Fanny.



 So it is Emma, and not Anna LOMAS.

Still a mystery, but if it were my family I'm pretty sure I'd accept that for some reason unknown, Fanny has decided to go by the name Emma.


I have to agree with Maddy’s comment above that Fanny decided to go by the name of Emma

As for finding no marriage for Frederick George Barfoot to Fanny Bend perhaps her father did not approve or give his consent, she was only 20 when son FGB born 1880 as mentioned on your thread they probably just lived together.

Have you traced Frederick George Barfoot back from 1881 census could he have been married and not free to marry Fanny  ???


Emma's father was Samuel not Sansum so did Emma fabricate her fathers name on her marriage certificate to Lomas as she did apparently for her then current age? (which I found some women did if they were somewhat older than the man?).


Possibly

Emma edit should have written Fanny Bend father named Sansom occupation on her baptism record Labourer
and Agricultural labourer on some of her siblings baptisms

Emma Barfoot father named Samuel occupation on her marriage record farm labourer

so both name & occupation very similar


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