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Hi , just letting you know we are still searching for the George Malone / George Oldfield mystery .
We are now definitely thinking they are one and the same and that Charlotte Malone mother of George Malone 10 July 1869 is the mother of same child different name ,George Oldfield same birthdate .
We are thinking now that Charlotte is the niece of the Oldfield wives sisters Sarah and Ann married to George Malone grandfather John Oldfield re 1861 census
. And George Malone noted as grandson may  in fact be the great nephew

.my friend who George Oldfield ( Malone ) is his grandfather has done DNA and we are struggling to connect to generations on the paternal line … after about three generations the DNA flips over to the maternal family with no distinct connection to any paternal names .
 I am wondering if this means cousins have married ?
The  maternal family George Oldfield Malone married into ( Stancliffe ) family all come from Yorkshire and 
with the Charlotte  Malone and Leah  families coming from Lyme Cheshire
 so one would think there wasn't too much inter family marriage ?
My friend has a very full tree with the Stancliffe family .
So it’s just connecting George Oldfield 10-7-1869 as his grandfather was known to the child George Malone also 10-7-1869 .
 So very complicated . Any help ….. thanks folks who have helped in previous posts below .

Thank you Smiley . I have just started on this for my second cousin so you have added meat to the bones . Do you know where the family originated from . My second cousin was always told there was a family that were travellers and I think we have started to get her tree sorted . Thank you . Fred .

Hi Yes it’s making sense . I saw Lydia Franklin as a witness on James and Alice marriage cert . I need pen and paper to connect all the dots . Thank you Fred .

Hi , I have found a new second cousin and we are working together . She was bought up being told her gt gt grandmother  Annie Alice nee Brinkley lived in a caravan and was from a travelling family .
My second cousin DNA on ancestry gives her 3  % Romani so it seems the family story has truth to it . I have now found a possible link to the family o. His son in law James Mill was a hawker and Charles a traveller on daughter's Annie's marriage cert .Dated Nov . 1891.
 have found a Charles Brinkley who I think is correct in the 1881 census . He and his wife are living in The Folly Caravan  .
There are a few James Mills and before go too far down the rabbit hole is there anyone who can give me some Romani history and where we go from here to have any proof and social history . The family appears to have settled in Edmonton London .
A witness name was Lydia Franklin I think née Welch . Thanks Fred .