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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1496 Latin will Sir Richard Pomeray
« on: Saturday 04 May 24 23:10 BST (UK) »
I'd be grateful for a transcription and translation of this short will please.
Many thanks
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The Common Room / Richard Pomery 1525 Cornwall. AALT and IPMs
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 02:27 BST (UK) »
Richard Pomery/Pomeroy was married the 13th October 1552 at St Neot Cornwall to Jone Taprell.
This is the earliest piece of evidence for him. They went on to have several children baptised at St Neot. St Neot registers start 1545.
The genealogy of much of the early Pomery family is well documented. They were barons at Berry Pomeroy in Devon. Ralph de la Pomeroy was one of William the Conqueror’s Norman knights.
However, I can’t find where this Richard fits into the family.
Even by the 1500s, there were hundreds if not thousands of Pomerys in Devon and Cornwall.
Unfortunately, the family had to sell the lands at Berry Pomeroy in 1547 - bought by Edward Seymour, Lord Protector, and the reins behind the throne of the young king Edward, so it’s understandable that the members of the family would have spread out from Berry Pomery, perhaps ending up in St Neot.
There are many trees on genealogy sites that include this Richard. I’ve seen him given as the son of at least 3 different fathers, the majority of which give him as the son of Sir Thomas Pomery of Berry Pomeroy, born 1504, and his wife Jane Edgcumbe of Cotehele House, but I can find no evidence for this. He is not on any visitation trees as a child of this Thomas.
Frustratingly, many trees on MyHeritsge even have a photo of a painting of Richard and his wife Jone Taprell, (supposedly), but I can find no source information for this. (I suspect one person found this, and many others copied it onto their tree).
‘Thomas Pomery, knight’, Richard’s possible father, died in 1566.
There is an Inquisition Post Mortem for him.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7762712
Is there anyway to see this without sending to The National Archives?
I found a film on familysearch, but I think it’s only an index.
There is a document in Chancery C3/474/46 1559 - 1579, which looks interesting.
A John Pomery v Pastow Tapell. a ‘Pascow Taprell” was buried in St Neot in 1575, and Richard Pomery married Jone Taprell in 1552.
Does any one know their way around AALT?
Is this document, or the IPM for Thomas, on the site?
I have to say I find the site quite challenging!
Any ideas gratefully received!
I've put this on the Common Room board, as it's really about accessing old documents, and not just about research in Cornwall.
This is the earliest piece of evidence for him. They went on to have several children baptised at St Neot. St Neot registers start 1545.
The genealogy of much of the early Pomery family is well documented. They were barons at Berry Pomeroy in Devon. Ralph de la Pomeroy was one of William the Conqueror’s Norman knights.
However, I can’t find where this Richard fits into the family.
Even by the 1500s, there were hundreds if not thousands of Pomerys in Devon and Cornwall.
Unfortunately, the family had to sell the lands at Berry Pomeroy in 1547 - bought by Edward Seymour, Lord Protector, and the reins behind the throne of the young king Edward, so it’s understandable that the members of the family would have spread out from Berry Pomery, perhaps ending up in St Neot.
There are many trees on genealogy sites that include this Richard. I’ve seen him given as the son of at least 3 different fathers, the majority of which give him as the son of Sir Thomas Pomery of Berry Pomeroy, born 1504, and his wife Jane Edgcumbe of Cotehele House, but I can find no evidence for this. He is not on any visitation trees as a child of this Thomas.
Frustratingly, many trees on MyHeritsge even have a photo of a painting of Richard and his wife Jone Taprell, (supposedly), but I can find no source information for this. (I suspect one person found this, and many others copied it onto their tree).
‘Thomas Pomery, knight’, Richard’s possible father, died in 1566.
There is an Inquisition Post Mortem for him.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7762712
Is there anyway to see this without sending to The National Archives?
I found a film on familysearch, but I think it’s only an index.
There is a document in Chancery C3/474/46 1559 - 1579, which looks interesting.
A John Pomery v Pastow Tapell. a ‘Pascow Taprell” was buried in St Neot in 1575, and Richard Pomery married Jone Taprell in 1552.
Does any one know their way around AALT?
Is this document, or the IPM for Thomas, on the site?
I have to say I find the site quite challenging!
Any ideas gratefully received!
I've put this on the Common Room board, as it's really about accessing old documents, and not just about research in Cornwall.
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Cornwall / Does anyone live near St Kew?
« on: Saturday 20 April 24 03:22 BST (UK) »
I have found a reference to a memorial in St Kew church, on the British Listed Building site, for "Mrs Melloney Pomory", who died in 1799. (The name is usually spelt Pomery or Pomeroy, but is quoted on the site as Pomory).
Melloney Pomery was the wife of the Reverend Joseph Pomery - vicar at St Kew for some 60 years.
She was born Melloney Scobell.
The memorial is evidently in the tower.
There are many photographs on The British Listed Building site - quite a lot of the stained glass windows, but none of this memorial.
Might there be anyone going that way who could take a photograph of it?
I would be very grateful
Thank you
Melloney Pomery was the wife of the Reverend Joseph Pomery - vicar at St Kew for some 60 years.
She was born Melloney Scobell.
The memorial is evidently in the tower.
There are many photographs on The British Listed Building site - quite a lot of the stained glass windows, but none of this memorial.
Might there be anyone going that way who could take a photograph of it?
I would be very grateful
Thank you
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1738 Admin. Checking names please
« on: Monday 15 April 24 02:33 BST (UK) »
This is the administration of Richard Dangar (sometimes 'Danger'), in 1738 of St Neot, Cornwall. (St Neot here).
His daughter Elizabeth is the administrator, but what are the two other bondsmen?
At the end of line 2 and beginning of line3, and the end of line 3 and beginning of line 4.
Both 'gents'. One of East Looe, and one of Liskeard.
I have an idea what they might be, but don't want to influence anybody looking at it.
Many thanks
His daughter Elizabeth is the administrator, but what are the two other bondsmen?
At the end of line 2 and beginning of line3, and the end of line 3 and beginning of line 4.
Both 'gents'. One of East Looe, and one of Liskeard.
I have an idea what they might be, but don't want to influence anybody looking at it.
Many thanks
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The Lighter Side / A worldwide family history success story
« on: Thursday 25 January 24 01:40 GMT (UK) »
Several years ago I did some work on a friend's family history here in New Zealand.
As with many settlers of European descent, his family lines traced back to Scotland, Ireland and England, with several of them in Devon and Cornwall.
One Cornish family were quite well off and had a very nice house. The house is still owned by a descendant of the family, and does bed and breakfast, so I was able to see on their website that there were various large oil paintings of the family members hanging on the walls, many of them from the late 1700s. Having contacted the nice owners there, who were very interested to hear there were descendants in New Zealand, they sent me good photographs of my friend's ancestors, which I passed on to them.
Out of the blue this week I had a surprise email from the people at the house, to say that 2 paintings had come up for sale in an auction house in the town, and the auction was that day!
Luckily England is 13 hours behind New Zealand at the moment, so I contacted my friend right away with a link to the auction house.
The auction would have started at 9pm NZ time.
At 6am, (I was not awake, but saw the message later), my friend texted me to say they were now the proud owner of the paintings of his husband and wife Georgian ancestors.
That's pretty exciting stuff, especially in New Zealand where European history doesn't start until well into the 1800s.
I love it when all the stars align to create a happy ending!
As with many settlers of European descent, his family lines traced back to Scotland, Ireland and England, with several of them in Devon and Cornwall.
One Cornish family were quite well off and had a very nice house. The house is still owned by a descendant of the family, and does bed and breakfast, so I was able to see on their website that there were various large oil paintings of the family members hanging on the walls, many of them from the late 1700s. Having contacted the nice owners there, who were very interested to hear there were descendants in New Zealand, they sent me good photographs of my friend's ancestors, which I passed on to them.
Out of the blue this week I had a surprise email from the people at the house, to say that 2 paintings had come up for sale in an auction house in the town, and the auction was that day!
Luckily England is 13 hours behind New Zealand at the moment, so I contacted my friend right away with a link to the auction house.
The auction would have started at 9pm NZ time.
At 6am, (I was not awake, but saw the message later), my friend texted me to say they were now the proud owner of the paintings of his husband and wife Georgian ancestors.
That's pretty exciting stuff, especially in New Zealand where European history doesn't start until well into the 1800s.
I love it when all the stars align to create a happy ending!
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What was Johnie's misdemeanor? 1698 Kirk session
« on: Monday 11 December 23 21:23 GMT (UK) »
From the kirk session minutes of Strathaven 1698.
A couple of words here I'd like help with please.
I have an idea what it is, but would like a second opinion.
The phrase 'to go off the place' is interesting.
Presumably he wanted to leave Strathaven to go and live in another town, and needed confirmation he had been a member of the church in Strathaven? A bit like a character reference.
He was lucky they gave it to him.
Poor Johnie!
May 1 (16)98
Johnie Cochran
Compeard Johnie Cochran, seeking a testimoniall, being to go off the place, the
sessione rebuked him for his custome of … ving when he was young, and ta..
him ingadged not to do so in tyme coming and Appointd the Clerk to give his testi-
moniall forsaid,
A couple of words here I'd like help with please.
I have an idea what it is, but would like a second opinion.
The phrase 'to go off the place' is interesting.
Presumably he wanted to leave Strathaven to go and live in another town, and needed confirmation he had been a member of the church in Strathaven? A bit like a character reference.
He was lucky they gave it to him.
Poor Johnie!
May 1 (16)98
Johnie Cochran
Compeard Johnie Cochran, seeking a testimoniall, being to go off the place, the
sessione rebuked him for his custome of … ving when he was young, and ta..
him ingadged not to do so in tyme coming and Appointd the Clerk to give his testi-
moniall forsaid,
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« on: Tuesday 05 December 23 05:31 GMT (UK) »
I found this purely by accident when looking for a marriage on one of the Rodiere notary films . (Lovergne. 12J 1-201. 1627-1631. PAge 6/22)
Am I correct in thinking this says Charles D'aire 'the younger'?
If so, it would seem his father was also a Charles D'aire - so the next generation found.
(The Anne Chevalier in this piece died not long after this, and Charles D'aire remarried Jeanne Senlecque - for anyone following these French lines.)
I'd appreciate some help with the few missing/unclear words.
Google says 'foraines' are fairgrounds?
Does anyone know what the money would have been in 1629?
9 Juin 1629
Charles D’aire le jeune lab et Anne Chevalier sa f(emm)e d(emeuran)t
en la maison + ferme d’hatchen? s’obligent de 64 17 3
de rente envers damoiselle Magd(elai)ne Le coes? V(euv)e de feu h.h.
Emmanuel Cardon vivant eschev(in) et recepueur? des [ ]
foraines et domanieres en lad(it) v(ille),
Merci beaucoup
Am I correct in thinking this says Charles D'aire 'the younger'?
If so, it would seem his father was also a Charles D'aire - so the next generation found.
(The Anne Chevalier in this piece died not long after this, and Charles D'aire remarried Jeanne Senlecque - for anyone following these French lines.)
I'd appreciate some help with the few missing/unclear words.
Google says 'foraines' are fairgrounds?
Does anyone know what the money would have been in 1629?
9 Juin 1629
Charles D’aire le jeune lab et Anne Chevalier sa f(emm)e d(emeuran)t
en la maison + ferme d’hatchen? s’obligent de 64 17 3
de rente envers damoiselle Magd(elai)ne Le coes? V(euv)e de feu h.h.
Emmanuel Cardon vivant eschev(in) et recepueur? des [ ]
foraines et domanieres en lad(it) v(ille),
Merci beaucoup
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The Common Room / What's happened to geneanet.org?
« on: Saturday 02 December 23 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Anyone know what's happened?
You can still search, but trying to view images it comes up with 'Heavy workload, database unavailable'.
As this has been happening for nearly 24 hours, including all through what would be the European night, I find this hard to believe.
I thought maybe they were doing some up grading, but one would have expected a different error message if that was so, and surely it would be back online by now.
Any ideas?
You can still search, but trying to view images it comes up with 'Heavy workload, database unavailable'.
As this has been happening for nearly 24 hours, including all through what would be the European night, I find this hard to believe.
I thought maybe they were doing some up grading, but one would have expected a different error message if that was so, and surely it would be back online by now.
Any ideas?
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / French baptisms of two sisters 1599/1601
« on: Friday 24 November 23 07:27 GMT (UK) »
Two baptisms here of sisters at Montreuil sur Mer.
The writing is terrible!
I can’t find them in the Montreuil listings - perhaps the transcribers couldn’t decipher them.
I found them through a tree on Geneanet, where somebody has managed to find them in the register.
There are 3 baptisms on each clip.
The ones I’m interested in are the middle baptism on each one.
I’ve left the others for helping decipher letters etc.
This is who they are for:
Clip 1.
Marie Berquen, daughter of Christian Berquen and Jeanne Helbert.
Clip 2
Martine Berquen, daughter of Christian Berquen and Jeanne Helbert.
On the marriage of Marie’s daughter Catherine (Duvivier) in 1639, it states her grandmother was Jeanne Helbert.
It’s odd though, as Marie Berquen married Pierre Duvivier about 1611. (No marriage found).
The first baptism of their many children is that of Anne in 1612, where the mother is stated to be Marie Berquen.
If Marie Berquen was baptised as a baby in 1599, this would only make her 13 years old?
It doesn’t give any clue in the baptism entry does it?
It’s a very unusual name in the Montreuil registers, so I don’t think there’s another Marie Berquen who would have been married to the same man,
https://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ark:/64297/049b88f511b23574ca6e8b40354d8f1e
Many thanks
The writing is terrible!
I can’t find them in the Montreuil listings - perhaps the transcribers couldn’t decipher them.
I found them through a tree on Geneanet, where somebody has managed to find them in the register.
There are 3 baptisms on each clip.
The ones I’m interested in are the middle baptism on each one.
I’ve left the others for helping decipher letters etc.
This is who they are for:
Clip 1.
Marie Berquen, daughter of Christian Berquen and Jeanne Helbert.
Clip 2
Martine Berquen, daughter of Christian Berquen and Jeanne Helbert.
On the marriage of Marie’s daughter Catherine (Duvivier) in 1639, it states her grandmother was Jeanne Helbert.
It’s odd though, as Marie Berquen married Pierre Duvivier about 1611. (No marriage found).
The first baptism of their many children is that of Anne in 1612, where the mother is stated to be Marie Berquen.
If Marie Berquen was baptised as a baby in 1599, this would only make her 13 years old?
It doesn’t give any clue in the baptism entry does it?
It’s a very unusual name in the Montreuil registers, so I don’t think there’s another Marie Berquen who would have been married to the same man,
https://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ark:/64297/049b88f511b23574ca6e8b40354d8f1e
Many thanks