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I'm hoping somebody will be able to enhance the artist's signature which is almost illegible. I'd love to know who painted the picture, but all I can make out is a capital "O"
The painting is in South Africa and the attached photos were emailed to me, so I can't examine the painting more closely myself.

I would also love to know where this farmhouse is, but not sure which board I should be posting that query to, on the very slim chance that the farmhouse still survives and someone in Cumbria recognises it.
The farmhouse was apparently the last property belonging to my ancestors in Cumberland, so was probably in the Wetheral or Cumwhitton parishes - but they also had property in Carlisle (Fuse Hill and Botcherley Holme).


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United States of America / Peres Bonney will 1787
« on: Friday 27 August 21 01:53 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody know if the actual will of Peres Bonney (1709-1792) or any document written by him has survived ? and, if so, whether they are viewable online ?

We have a collection of old letters and papers written by our Bonney and Sherwood ancestors in America in the 18th and 19th centuries. One of the documents - which starts "I the subscriber Peres Bonney the son of John Bonney of Pembrook ..." - chronicles four generations of his family beginning with his grandfather "Thomas Bonney who came from Dover in England ..." [in 1634]
This document is quoted from or referred to in several publications and genealogies about the Bonney family in America.

It would be wonderful if any document in Peres Bonney's hand survives, so we could compare the handwriting in our document to anything else written by him, and find out whether it is the original or a copy made by one of his descendants.

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South Africa / GISA South African Genealogies errata
« on: Thursday 01 July 21 18:51 BST (UK)  »
There used to be a very useful website listing irregularities & corrections in South African Genealogies. Does anyone know if it's still available to view ? and, if so, how to access it ?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Baptism witness name
« on: Sunday 20 June 21 15:10 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone make out what the first name of the second baptism witness is ? "----- Doyle" (underlined in black)
That first letter has got me stumped, and I cannot find a similar letter on other pages.
The record is here if you want to see more of that handwriting https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9Z5-KQPK?i=552&cc=2155416

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South Africa / Dirk Johannes Odendaal c1853-1930
« on: Thursday 13 May 21 13:44 BST (UK)  »
Trying to discover who his parents were.
According to his Death Notice (completed by his son) Dirk was born in Cradock and his parents were Maryna and Dirk Johannes Odendaal, but I cannot find any further information for them. Am getting a bit cross-eyed with all the Odendaal death notices and marriage/bapt records that I've looked at :)

Dirk's first wife was Susanna Margaretha Cloete (1859-1906) - they married 1876 in Rouxville, OFS, and had nine children.
I've also tried searches based on their children's name - their first two children appear to have been named after Susanna's parents - Gert Johannes 1878 and Aletta Catherina 1880 - and their next three were named Jacoba Susanna 1883, Willem Andries Johannes 1886 and Dirk Johannes 1888.

Any help in finding Dirk's parents would be much appreciated.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Inventory 1596 transcription
« on: Sunday 21 March 21 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Help needed please with this inventory for Andrew Grame - in 3 pieces to keep within the size limit - top and bottom sections attached, middle section to follow
My transcription so far below - I've highlighted some of the doubtful words in red, but there are lots more that I'm not sure of.

The Inventorie of all the goods and c[h]attels
movable and unmovable of andrew
grame of Wetherall abbaie diseased [sic]
valued and prysed the viij day of aprill
ano domini 1596 by these iiij-- ----- ---
Rob: pe—Tho: wannope Tho: browne and
David wilken
Imp[rimi]s 2 old ----   xxl js 8d
ite.    3 ----- and 3 calfes   xxxxs
ite.   4 gel-- kene   xl iiijs
ite.   3 ----   30s
ite.   2 -----   xxl js 8d
ite.   3 ----   x—
ite.   22 ducs   iijl vjs 8d
ite.   9 ge— shepe   20s
ite.   his app[ar]el   xxs
ite.   4 con— clothes   20s
ite.   blanketes   xl ---
ite.   in shetes   ixs
ite.   in corne   xl xviijs
ite.   one pot and one pan   vijs 8d
ite.   3 pe—e of ponder -----   xijd
ite.   one girde--   ijs
ite.   one –ronfe tongues and spe---r   ijs
ite.   -erlane plough geare   ijs vjd

   Debtes owing to the sayd Andrew
Imprimis Ambrose Carleton of Lynstocke for 6 house   xxli
Willm Armstrong of the gylecrus called Hebbies
Willm   xxiijli
George Barnefather alias gybs Geordy   xijli iiijs
John Bowmber of Corliell Bucher   vli xvjs
John Syde of the same   iijli viijs
John Rychardby and John Grayson of floddell crucke
for howes   xijs viijd
Thomas Hetherington of the them—more m-chland
for Cattell   xvjs viijd
John Grayson of the Milhouse   xxvjs xiijd i8d
Willm Bell & Thomas Bell Sonnes to Jeffrey Bell
of the pl—rke –ouke thre- score poundes lacing two shillinge
John Blaclocke of Wetherall Abbaiy   xxs
Thomas Person merchand of Carliell Surtie for
Thomas Atkinson   xviijli s---ing xvj grot-s
John Johnston alias Jocke called the good man of
Hogill   xiiijs vjd
Jocke Johnston his sonne   xxijs
John Johnston his sonne   xs
Willm Bell of the Hynging shawe   xxijs
John Johnston the good man of kirkhill   xs
Jocke Johnston sonne to gyb Johnston of fingland
   xiijs vjd
Mathew Lyttle of Johnston   xxiiijs iijd
Now that he payd Mathew doth owe to the sayd
Andrew for the ofspring of one Cow and a calfe
sexteane yeare   vjl
Robert –libs hob  Jardin of Rocken flat   vijs
David Johnston of the Mill Banke   xvjs
Frances Bell of kyrtle   xijs vjd
    cxviijli viijs iiijd
   Summa totalis   xxxxxxxxxxx

debtes yt he owys—
Imprimis to nichol Richison de mosland    liijs –od
ite. to his syster annus   xxiijs
ite. to his brother willm   xiijs vjd
ite. to margat haugh   xiijs 4d
ite. to his sonne John   vjs
ite. to gyle mandanish   ijs
ite. to Jocke de glesser   ijs
ite. to willm his sonne   iiijli xiijs
his funerall expenses   xxxs

   Summa totalis   xjl xxs xjd
 
 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Decipher paragraph - sale of copyhold 1600
« on: Tuesday 16 February 21 20:27 GMT (UK)  »
Help needed deciphering this paragraph, please.
It's on the reverse of the agreement, and is presumably the "approval" of the sale by the Steward of the Dean & Chapter of Carlisle Cathedral.
All I can make out is:
I have seen --------- this Deede and Grant -----ers
the same ---------- that the within named Will/m a
Grayme at the next courte to be holden in Wetherall
do satisfie ---- the said Deane & Chapter for their
fyne & ----rent there And hereunto have Sett to my name
   Tho: Salkeld



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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1684 probate
« on: Saturday 14 November 20 22:35 GMT (UK)  »
Attached is the probate paragraph in Latin at the end of a 1684 will.
Can someone please tell me what the word is between "Grahame" and "Graham" ? and what it means ?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1643 Will - Graime
« on: Friday 30 October 20 18:40 GMT (UK)  »
I'd appreciate it if someone would confirm that the first five words in the 4th line of the attached are "her sonne and my heire"
I want to be quite sure because, if that is correct, it's an important clue in tracing my ancestors.
And, if possible, a translation of the Latin paragraph at the end would be appreciated too, please.

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