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Northumberland / Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses
« on: Sunday 19 August 12 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello
Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses was born Nov. 18 1804 in Kristiansund,  Norway. His parents were John Moses, b. 1781 and Anna Holck Tordenskjold, b. 1782, both Kristiansund. I have had discussions with others on the Cumberland-forum, regarding the Moses-family in Kristiansund, who came from both Cumberland and Northumberland. This thread holds a lot of background information.
Se the thread here.

I have a shipmanifest that shows a departure for Newcastle 1823. A cargoship, "Magdalena & the two daughters (Mgd.lena & 2 D)" from Kristiansund, with 2 passengers; John Allan (Scotsman living in Kristiansund) and Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses. Moses in Kristiansund were related to Thomas Moses, b. 1724 (of Durham) as far as I know now.

I'm looking for any information on ships to and from Norway  in this period. There is a note in a later probate (1849), that Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses left Norway (Trondheim) for England  in 1825 and that his whereabouts is unknown at that time (1849).

I'm interested in any information on the subject.

I have attached the photo of the shipmanifest

Regards
Tom Kaasen

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Register of companies in Limehouse 1820-1850?
« on: Tuesday 03 April 12 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello

John Moses, b. 1781 in Kristiansund, Norway, with English father Isaac Moses and Norwegian mother, Anna Holck Tordenskjold, was a significant merchant of his time. In 1814 he was elected to represent Kristiansund at Eidsvoll, to work out the Norwegian Constitution.

The reason why I'm asking for help is: John Moses' company suffered a major bankruptcy in 1818, mainly due to the Napoleonic-war(s).  History says he started up business in London and that he brought one or two sons with him.

His burial record at St. Anne's, 4 Feb 1849, says he was aged 68, of Limehouse


With good help from persons, in the Cumberland-forum, I now hold this information:

There is a census-record of 1841, showing a John Moses in Fore Street.
There is a will of a John Moses, Ship Chandler, of No. 3 Fore St, Limehouse St. Anne, Middlesex.
Leaves his estate to his "Faithful Housekeeper", Ann Row, Spinster.  Will dated 10 Jan 1849. Probate granted 1 May 1849.

There is a company: "Moses, John & Co., ship chdlrs & com.agents, 47 Fore St., Limehouse (from 1846 London Post Office Directory)

I think this is the "new" company of John Moses and I would like to find as much information as possible, about owners, size of company and what happened to the company after the death of John Moses 1849.

If I could find out the owners of this company, one or two sons may "show up" in London. My theory is that at least one son, Isaac Christopher Tordenskjold Moses b. 18.11.1804, followed John Moses. Handwritten notes, that I found at the local museum yesterday, indicates that Isaac Christopher Moses married an unknown woman in England 1824.
 
Even if John Moses and his wife, Anna Holck Tordenskold, baptized their oldest son Isaac Christian Tordenskjold Moses, he is referred to as Isaac Christian Tordenskjold Moses in the settlement on his parents divorce in 1823.


Tom Kaasen
Kristiansund
Norway

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Cumberland / Isaac Moses, b. 1738, of Fenton, Cumberland
« on: Friday 30 March 12 21:02 BST (UK)  »
Hello

I'm a Norwegian who is looking for a person, willing to assist in a "hunt" for a certain John Moses, b. Norway, 1781, to Isaac Moses of Fenton, Cumberland an Norwegian wife Karen Barbara Thode. This John Moses, born in Norway, emigrated to England in the early 1830ties and died in Limehous, London ja. 29th, 1849, buried St. Annes, feb. 04, 1849.

To get a good prospective of the "case", I think it's best to introduce what I know about the english part of the family.

I do not know if anyone has done a genealogical research of Isaac's descendants or ancestors, but it's worth a try.

This is what I know:

Isaac Moses, b. 1738, emigrated to Kristiansund (Christiansund) Norway, 1768. He emigrated together with cousin Thomas Moses, b. 1752,d. 1822 Norway). This Thomas was born in Newcastle. It is not known to me if it is Newcastle upon Tyne or Newcastle under Lyme.

The reason for the emigration was to work in uncle John Moses' company in Kristiansund. "Old" John Moses had returned to England, 1761, after having built a prosperous business in Norway. Upon returning to England, he left the business in the hands of another nephew, George Moses.

"Old" John was not entirely satified with George's way of running the business, hence the change to the other nephews.
Thomas never married and died in Kristiansund 1822. In his will, his 5 sister are mentioned. I will come back to them if any of you may be interested.

Isaac Moses married Karen Barbara Thode, 1780. She died, giving birth to "young" John Moses, 1781. Isaac remarried, with Anna Bolette Tvedt, and the couple had 9 children born to them. All in Kristiansund. Isaac died in 1807.

"Young" John Moses was extremely talented as a businessman. He "studied" business, in England, with his granduncle "old" John, from the age of 17 til 20. "Young" John became one of Kristiansund's most prosperous business men, running an import/export trade with whatever was legal and gave profit.

I 1801, he fathered a son, Isaac Christian Moses, out of wedlock. He had promised the son's mother marriage, but did not stand by this promise and was taken to court.

In 1804, he married Anna Holck Tordenskjold. They got 7 children, alltogether, 4 of them, sons, grew up.

In 1807, age 26, he controlled one third of Kristiansund's wessels. In 1814, he was elected as Kristiansund's representative to the congregation of "able men" at Eidsvoll, to form the Norwegian Constitution.

In 1818, as a final result of problems, caused mainly by the Napoleonic war(s), "young" John's company wnt bankrupt. The authorities needed 6 years to sort out the final economic result of this situation.
During this period, John's marriage to Anna Holck Tordenskjold was "annulled" in 1823.

Story says "Young" John tried to re-establish business and that he finally emigrated to England, together with two of his sons (they are not named in the stories).

According to the stories told, "young" John worked as a ship-broker in or around London. He died Jan 29th, 1849 and was buried Feb. 4th, 1849 in St. Anne's, Limehouse. London. UK.

The bicentennial of the congregation, to form Norway's Constitution, in 1814, is approaching. The National Archive of Norway and one of the major organisations for genealogists, DISNORGE, has launched a collaboration to discover what became of the descendants of thes 112 men who gathered at Eidsvoll in 1814. I live in Kristiansund and I have taken responsibility for the "young" John Moses story. My major challenge now, is to find tracks of him in England.

If any of you find this interesting, I would be more than pleased to hear from you. I may be contacted on the emailaddress: *

Tom Kaasen

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