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Shropshire / Reverend Edward Poole and his son James Poole in Caynham and Ludlow
« on: Wednesday 24 September 14 04:43 BST (UK)  »
I have been on the trail of this family for a while now and cannot get any further back with confidence.

The Reverend Edward Poole died in 1776 in Caynham and left a will.  In his will he bequeathed property to his adult children.  I already knew about the children from other sources so the will was simply confirmation.

His wife was apparently named Mary and she came with a thousand pound dowry - pretty good for the 1740s.  I have no idea at all of her maiden name and would love to find it.  Mary died in 1772 in Caynham.

Ch:

Mary b 1741 m (1) Benjamin Biddulph (2) Ralph Cope Hopton
Elizabeth b 1742 lived to elderly age as a spinster
Frances b 1744 m Thomas Cooke
Edward b 1746 m Catherine
James bc 1745 m Ann prob Cooper
Ann bc 1748 m Rev John Taylor

James is my husband's line. 

James was in the military and is generally referred to as 'Major James Poole' in newspaper announcements.  He became the Paymaster-General to the troops in Ireland at a time of which there seem to be no surviving records. 

James and Ann had the following children:

Mary Ann 1773 in Ludlow did not marry
Frances 1776 in Ludlow, m (1) Lambert Middleton (2) Marcus Annesley
Elizabeth 1779 in Ludlow no further knowledge
Jane 1781 in Ludlow did not marry
James 1786 m Margaret Fielden and died of injuries sustained in Battle of Waterloo
Caroline 1788 in Mordiford Herefordshire (my husband's ancestress)


I would like to learn more of the lines of Edward and James' wives.  I believe James married Anne Cooper in Market Drayton and that she was of good family but I have no good confirmation of this.  Edward's wife was clearly from a wealthy family.

The Reverend Edward Poole is commonly considered to be the son of James Poole and Ann Jauncey.  I don't believe anyone has confirmed his age at death, but since he has a son James I can see why this is considered.  Edward's will also references Jauncey heirlooms which he is passing on, so this also lends credence to the idea.  However, every attempt to position Edward in this family is a leap of faith in some direction - it is not an easy fit.

It seems possible that James is the name of Edward's father in law.  It is also possible that the Jauncey heirlooms came through her family, if we only knew who she was.

I have been spurred on to further research after DNA testing has showed a match with descendants of surname Garner from Shropshire and I am curious since I do not know of a link to that family.  However, I notice that Garners can be found everywhere that Pooles and Coopers can.

Where should I look for this information?  I was hoping the Rev Edward's wife's burial details would have something but it just says 'Widow of the Rev Edward Poole'.

The marriage record for James Poole and Anne Cooper likewise has no details to assist.

I have not located a marriage for Edward.  Are there missing records for Shropshire? 

I am reasonably certain of Ann's age at death, there are three unrelated documents which have her born either late 1747 or early 1748.  Therefore a likely birth for her is in Shrewsbury to John Cooper and Elizabeth Jones.  But I am not finding any confirmation of this either.

Does anyone know this family or know of a resource which might help me learn more?

Irene

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Shropshire Completed Look up Requests / Market Drayton 1771 Shropshire Marriage - POOLE and COOPER - COMPLETED
« on: Tuesday 23 September 14 09:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I have been researching for  a few years but have never requested a lookup before.  Apologies if I do this incorrectly.

There is a reference on familysearch Marriage Indexes to a marriage between James Poole and Ann Cooper on 28 Jul 1771 in Market Drayton.  I cannot find a reference to parish.  If they are the couple I hope they are, they were Anglican.

I would like to know any details the marriage may provide, especially parent names and witnesses.   

Is it possible to obtain any of these details? 

I am a little puzzled by this couple as my James Poole's family was in Caynham and as far as I can tell his wife Ann came from Shrewsbury.  Why they would have married in Market Drayton is a mystery.  However, James was in the military and may have been posted near her.

This is the only marriage of a James Poole and an Ann which fits my family, that I have found. The eldest known child (Mary Ann Poole) was born in September 1773 in Ludlow. 

In case it helps:

James Poole born circa 1745 son of the Reverend Edward Poole (confirmed by Will)
Ann born circa 1747/1748 in Shropshire died 1833 in Leominster Herefordshire (confirmed by death record, newspaper announcement and grave inscription)

Known Children:

Mary Ann b 1773 Ludlow
Frances 1776 Ludlow
Jane 1781 Ludlow
James 1786 birthplace unknown
Caroline 1778 Mordiford, Herefordshire

I will greatly appreciate any information, advice and suggestions.

Irene

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Other Countries / Lind of Tristan D'Acunha
« on: Sunday 19 May 13 16:48 BST (UK)  »
In the 1840s at Tristan D'Acunha (or Tristan Da Cunha) were the nine families which are listed everywhere on the internet.  There was also a deserter from a whaling ship, name of Lind.  There are not many references to this man.  From all I have learned, he was not accepted by the nine families and eked out the existence of an exile, not allowed to trade with passing ships and not participating in the island's social life.

A small book titled 'The Utmost Parts of the Earth' by the Rev William F Taylor says that in 1826 there were five single men on the island:  surnamed Riley, Cotton, Peterson, Pert and Swain. (Also some married men including Governor Glass).  They made a bargain with a Captain Amm who agreed to fetch five wives from St Helena for the single men.  The five islander ladies arrived on the island on 12th April 1827.  It appears there were children too, at least some daughters, who came with the women. 

Some time in circa early/mid 1830's the sailor Lind arrived and though living in isolation, he took as a wife one of the daughters of the islander women.  They had at least six, maybe seven children.  It appears the wife and children were also kept in exile from the other inhabitants.

On 29 March 1850 the sailor Lind's body was found and the story was he took his own life.  Possibly this is true, information is too sketchy.  His widow and children suffered greatly over the next several months, almost starving to death.  Possibly some of the children did starve.

In late 1850 the whaling ship Bengal from America, captained by a man named Philips, stopped at Tristan D'Acunha and discovered the plight of Mrs C Lind and her children.  He took them on board and brought them to Hobart.  They were described in the arrivals list as being 'in a state of great destitution'. 

The book by Rev William Taylor says, following the description of Lind's death, "His worthless partner soon after went away with her children in a whale-ship bound to Hobart Town."

In Hobart, three of Mrs C Lind's daughters were placed in the Queen's Orphanage.  The others were presumably older and able to find positions of employment.  There is no further reference to Mrs C Lind, I've no idea what happened to her. 

My questions:

Is there anyone who has researched the families of this island group who has names for the five islander women and/or the islander daughters who came with them from St Helena?

Has anyone come across my Mr Lind?

Is there any record anywhere of United States whaling ships which might list deserters or declare them as criminals or some such?  (I gather most though not all whaling ships were American so worth investigating)

I've found a few online forums for people studying this island but last posts were all about 8 years ago and I've not managed to contact anyone through them.

Irene

This family:

Mr Lind
Mrs C Lind

Lucinda born 1836
Agnes   born 1841
James   born 1843
Clara     born 1845
Three other children Margaret, John and David listed as arriving but no further information located.

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Warwickshire / Ann Orton (Amongst other names) born 1819 lived all over Warwickshire
« on: Sunday 12 May 13 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I am stuck with this one.  I am seeking this lady's children in England - or elsewhere - hopefully in census or BDM parish or civil 1830 - 1852.

Ann/Anne Orton daughter of John (presumably John Orton but no guarantees) said she was born in Northampton in 1819 (or 1817), but in 1851 her father, brother James and sister Margaret were in Coventry, Warwickshire.   This from Anne's convict transport record.  She was a shoebinder and laundress.  She was apparently a widow. 

She had six children (several sources reference this) and at least some of them were surnamed Hingley.  The father's name was given as Samuel Hingley.

A newspaper report (Coventry Herald 04 July 1851) says she was committed on 20th May 1851 in Coventry which matches convict records, for stealing clothing from a child.   She was listed as Ann Orton alias Ingleby.   

She made a plea for leniency due to having "six darling children".  She is reported in the paper as being a "big, hardy-looking Irishwoman".  Her plea did not help as she had previously been remanded in Birmingham for abandoning her children in Wolverhampton.  While detained for this earlier offence she committed a felony and now the new theft was a second confirmed conviction.  No dates provided.  Earlier offenses are recorded on her convict record too but no dates again.

Four children travelled to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia with her arriving Jul 1852 , being - according to convict record - Denis born 1843, Caroline (really Catherine) born 1845 (or 1843 or 1841 marriage and death records respectively), James born 1847 and John born 1849, all with surname Orton.  Upon arrival in Hobart 3 of the children were admitted to the Queen's Orphanage with surname Hingley but mother's surname Acton.  Their father was given as Samuel Hingley. 

Ann never settled as a convict.  She was constantly assigned to a post and returned routinely every three months as disobedient, disorderly, sometimes drunk, always neglectful of duty.  She completed several stints of hard labour, had an illegitimate child (no idea what happened to that one), had an application to marry refused and her application for ticket of leave was also refused. 

Denis the eldest was apprenticed to a businessman in Hobart and absconded in 1858.  He probably left the state and may have returned to England.  Ann absconded later in the same year and possibly they went together.

I have not located James or the little one John who most likely did not survive the voyage, but Catherine the daughter is my ggg grandmother and remained in Hobart. 

Ann could read but not write. 

I believe the 1851 census was taken on 30 March and Ann was in court on 20th May so I was hoping to locate her, either in gaol waiting for trial or loose near Allesley or Coventry.  The children, I thought, would be in the workhouse if they were abandoned not long ago.  They were clearly located before she set sail.

I can't find any of the above - three generations worth - in the 1851 or the 1841 census or birth or death records, except possibly Samuel Hingley in 1848 in the deaths.

Does anyone have any tricks for finding people in Warwickshire/Staffordshire?  I notice Hingley is a name from towns called Dudley and Tipton but no Samuels amongst them.  Not sure if the Northampton data is valid or not. 

All ideas welcome!

Irene

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