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Hampshire & IOW Completed Lookup Requests / Census search - extra pair of eyes needed
« on: Saturday 17 February 24 22:39 GMT (UK)  »
Did someone say fairly recently that you can't search censuses by address on ancestry? I wanted to compare their transcription with FindMyPast because I can't see what became of a child with a strange forename and I was looking for ideas for how it could be recorded.

I am looking at 24 King Street Gosport in 1911. In the household are Hellen Lailey, age 34,(actually 41) laundress, born Sasbury (should be Sarisbury) Hampshire, and two of her illegitimate children, both born in Gosport.
The 9 year old daughter's name has an alteration on the schedule and FindMyPast has her name as 'Joshsome' May, which isn't a bad guess. The birth indexes have 'Tootsome' May N Lailey, although the new GRO index has 'Tooborne'.
The 8 year old son Robert Joseph Lailey, born Gosport, living in Gosport, should have been easiest to find but ancestry can't locate him even without a surname.
Can anyone see these three on Ancestry's 1911 census?

By 1921 Helen/Ellen has married Edward Charles Hitchcock, (although he is not at home) and is still in King Street with Robert Joseph Newman (now using his father's surname) and her stepson Edward Hitchcock. (In 1901 Robert Joseph Newman senior was in the household, but he died a couple of years later.)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Inventory items
« on: Thursday 23 November 23 15:14 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking at the inventory with the will of William Lathum (Latham) which was proved in 1636. Can someone kindly tell me what the first few items are? (All the same but different values.) It is nice clear writing and I can read all the section about the bed and boulster and so on, but I just can't seem to make sense of the [bonds?] Perhaps I am just having a blank/senior moment.
The rest of the list only contains the testators apparel, two kine, the herriott, and a brasse pott.

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The Common Room / Occasional copy B
« on: Saturday 22 July 23 10:38 BST (UK)  »
I am aware of the use of 'occasional copy A', in the indexes of birth registrations, where an alteration or re-registration may have occurred and there is usually a useful manuscript cross-reference at the side of the original index pages whch helps to find the other entry.
This is the first 'occasional copy B' I have seen and as it is on the GRO site there is no mention of any manuscript note that might exist. I have checked FreeBMD and elsewhere for their version of the entry, but I can't find anything remotely like it indexed under surname, middle name or mother's maiden name. Entering the volume, page and district from the GRO into FreeBMD supplies a list of nine names, none of which are likely to be the entry I am looking at.
What is the official meaning of Copy B? Is there anything helpful I can conclude from this term which might be a clue to finding the other entry? If not, I shall resort to ordering the certificate (fortunately within the period for which PDFs are available) but I suspect it still won't be obvious what the 'other' entry would have been. An exact search of the name as the GRO entry has it, does not produce a marriage death or anything else, not even on google!

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The Common Room / Are these the same man?
« on: Monday 03 October 22 21:43 BST (UK)  »
I have left out the full names of the participants in this scenario, at present, so that we are less likely to get sidetracked.
RDL, son of RL, married in 1848 supposedly aged 28. In the 1851 census he said he was 29. in 1861 he was 37. In 1871 he was 45. In 1881 he was 55. He died in 1887 age 59. (There is no trace of him in 1841.) That gives a range of 1820 to 1828 for his birth. He is consistent about where he was born but the obvious RL who was having children baptised at that place and time does not have an RDL among them. However he did have a DL baptised in 1815 and I can find that person in 1841 but not thereafter. DL has his sister CL with him in 1841, both recorded (rounded) as aged 25, being actually 26 and 21. I cannot find a death or marriage for him.
I feel it is a reasonable conclusion that DL and RDL are the same person, but they could just as easily be brothers with a missing baptism for RDL. If RDL is actually DL then he didn't just lose 5 years when he got married, but carried on getting younger until he died "aged 59" when he was actually 72. As a final point, RDL's wife was baptised in 1830 - only 18 when they married - so he did have a logical reason to lose a few years!
It is probably a waste of time to speculate why he might have added another forename. He was a carpenter and his presumed father was a labourer so he might have been trying to imply a better social standing perhaps? (The wife's family names predominate in their descendants.)
What do other people think? Is my scenario sufficiently feasible? Are they probably the same person? There are several ancestry trees with RDL as their brick wall so I would like a second opinion or two before proceeding further.

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Occupation Interests / Plastic decorater?
« on: Monday 30 May 22 13:35 BST (UK)  »
I am looking at an early 1960s marriage certificate on which the groom and his father are both described as 'plastic decorater'. What would this mean? I don't suppose it means a decorater OF plastic, as painting on plastic is surely a recent technology. My best guess is that it might be something to do with that embossed wallpaper that used to be common.
Has anyone got any better ideas please?

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The Common Room / Relatively recent searching
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 20:27 BST (UK)  »
I wanted to tidy up my records and add some death dates for people who were missing them. It was a good idea but I am struggling.
As an example take John Davenport/Devonport born 16 Feb 1895 in Salford, baptised in Cheetwood as John Willie Davenport, and his wife Alice formerly Williams. They were married 24 Feb 1927 in Cheetham and in the 1939 register they are in Sale. John was a fitters apprentice in 1911, a draper in 1927 and a market draper in 1939. (Alice is inconsistant with her age but I think she was probably the one born Cradley, Worcestershire in 1900, daughter of Samuel and Eliza.) John and Alice don't appear to have had any children.
John's father died in 1911 and did not leave a will. His mother might have died in 1913, but there are other possibilities. His younger brothers can't even be located in 1939 as their baptisms didn't helpfully record the date of birth. ( You can't go buying certificates for everybody!)
There don't seem to be electoral registers for the Cheshire/Greater Manchester boundary area online for 1940s or 50s. There don't appear to be any likely deaths in the Sale area for John or Alice, so they probably moved on, but I can't tell where or when. What am I missing/forgetting? Is there any other way of picking them up after the war so that I have some clue to which of the possible deaths they might be?

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This picture is probably from the late 1930's, possibly within a daytrip's distance of Altrincham. Does anyone recognise it? The row of gorgeous gates appear to face outwards round the clock tower complex rather than something behind the photographer. The main building could be a church but the clock tower may not be part of the same building. The ladies in this thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851972.0 were unfortunately photographed in front of the plainish gates at the right hand part of the fence.

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I would like some idea of the date of these ladies. The lady on the left is my grandmother Ethel Mary Latham nee Cunningham. She was born 1889 and married 1917. I have blown the picture right up and cannot be sure if she is wearing a wedding ring or not, so that won't help. Can anyone make an educated guess from the clothes they are wearing please?

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