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London and Middlesex / "Duke of Ormond" P.H., Princes St., Westminster
« on: Tuesday 12 February 19 06:29 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to tie down precisely the location of my g-grandfather's pub, the "Duke of Ormond", at 17 Prince's St. (now Storey's Gate), Westminster.

According to the 1842 Directory, there were 3 public houses on Prince's St.: the Duke of Ormond, then the Red Lion, at 21, and the Prince's Head at 24.

I've attached an extract from the 1893/6 OS map (I expect I'll get into trouble about this, but the web-site says that images can be used for non-commercial purposes as long as I state: 'Reproduced with the permission of the National Library of Scotland').  Granted it is 50 years later, but there are still 3 pubs on the street.  Presumably the Red Lion is going to be the one in the middle, but is the Duke of Ormond the one at the northern end of the street or the southern? 

I cannot find online a map with house numbers.  My strong suspicion is that the D of O is at the southern end, as in the 1842 Directory, the Prince's Head is next door to Storey's Gate Coffee House, which is definitely at the northern end.  But I would welcome any confirmation - or contradiction.

Thanks

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The Common Room / Emma Deighton, born about 1843, later "Butler"
« on: Tuesday 25 September 18 07:42 BST (UK)  »
Emma Deighton, probably born 1Q 1843, St. Saviour 4/501.  This lady is driving me nuts!  Any advice welcome.

My first contact with her is the 1871 census, where she appears as Emma Butler, a 25-year-old professional actress, HoH, born in Blackfriars, with a 2-year-old daughter, Ellen Butler, born Liverpool.  They are resident in Finsbury (St. James Clerkenwell).

Why Butler?  A birth certificate for Henry William Butler in December 1871 lists the mother as Emma, formerly Deighton, a professional actress.  The father is listed as Henry Thomas Butler, actor.  The birth is registered in St. Giles, next door to Finsbury.

Moving forwards, in 1881 Emma (37-years-old, HoH, born Southwark), now a dressmaker, Ellen and Henry William are living in Lambeth, together with 1-year-old Charles E. Butler, born Newington.  By 1891, they are living in Camberwell, Ellen appears to have left home, and Emma is calling herself a widow.

Moving backwards from 1871, there is a 17-year-old (HoH, born Blackfriars) Emma Deighton living in Blackfriars with a 23-year-old sister, Ellen.  The fact that the younger sister is HoH suggests that Ellen may have suffered from a disability.

But ... I cannot find any record on FreeBMD of a Deighton-Butler marriage.  Also, the only Ellen Butler born in or near Liverpool around 1869 (3Q 1868, Prescott 8b/544) is not the correct one (mother was Bridget, formerly Hanley).

So, in summary, we have Emma Deighton calling herself "Butler" from the late 1860's, but apparently not married to someone called Butler, nor co-habiting on census night with an adult male Butler in 1871 or 1881.  So was the father of Ellen, born about 1869, really a Butler, or did Emma apply the surname later? Why was Charles E, born about 1880, also called Butler, when there had never been an adult male in the family on census night since 1851, and the father of Henry William had long since moved on? 

I say this, because I am very certain (without being able to prove it) that Henry Thomas Butler, father of Henry William, was also father of Henry Thomas Butler, born Sept. 1871 (3 months before Henry William) to Margaret McHale, who was a 22-year-old professional actress, calling herself "Butler" in the 1871 census, but with no male adult Butler present, and for whom there is no record of a McHale-Butler marriage!  But Margaret and Henry Thomas certainly spent the next 28 years together, so Henry Thomas (the elder) would have had to be very devious to have sired Charles E in Newington in 1880, when he was resident in Hull.

Complicated - but I would welcome any ideas!

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Australia / Victoria Police Gazette look-up request: James BOYLE, aka James B. BURKE
« on: Tuesday 14 August 18 03:35 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if someone with access to Victoria Police Gazettes could look up four records for me:

James B. BURKE, 1890
James BURKE, 1911
James BOYLE, 1913
James BOYLE, 1914

These may relate to James Kerr BOYLE, born 1872, Salford, England.  His life of crime was mainly in NZ, but he died of TB in Kyneton in 1914 or 1915.  While in NZ he sometimes used the alias James Burton BURKE.

Although he arrived in NZ in 1893, I cannot find him in the 1891 UK census, so I wonder if the 1890 James B. BURKE record is an early example of him adopting this alias?

Thanks for any help
Tim

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New Zealand Completed Requests / James Kerr BOYLE, born Salford, 1872
« on: Friday 10 August 18 09:11 BST (UK)  »
I am virtually certain that James Kerr Boyle, born in Salford, Lancashire in 1872 and orphaned when he was 7 years old, emigrated from the UK to New Zealand around 1890.  He appears in the 1881 UK census, but not in 1891, when he would have been 19.

Ancestry shows me lots of entries for a James Kerr Boyle starting in the late 19th century.  It seems he married, and that he might have been in trouble with the police :).  But he seems to disappear after about 1910. 

To save me having to expand my Ancestry subscription to a global one just for this one fellow, I wonder if anyone can provide any more details about him?

Thanks!

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Lancashire / Pigot & Son's 1832 Directory for Manchester & Salford
« on: Thursday 09 August 18 08:23 BST (UK)  »
Not entirely sure I'm on the right board, but ... if anyone has access to the 1832 Directory for Manchester & Salford (Pigot & Son), can you please check if there is an entry for James Boyle, likely a cork-cutter, and possibly living at Hanging Ditch.

I know he was there by 1835, and am trying to narrow down when he arrived in Manchester from Yorkshire.

Thanks
Tim

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Dear All ... I can read the basic text:

Column 1 (Regiment): "Sir B. D'Urban"
Column 2 (Name): "Thos McHale"
Column 3 (Rank): "Sergt"
Column 4 (Age): "41"

But I cannot make out the notation below his name.  All suggestions welcome

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The Common Room / Photographs of Victorian actors
« on: Friday 22 May 15 01:09 BST (UK)  »
Living overseas, 99% of my research is internet-based.  But I will shortly be visiting Britain and so have a chance to visit some real-live archives!

I am anxious to locate a photograph of my great-grandparents, who were actors (actor/actress).  They were active from 1870 to 1900, based mainly in northern England, with especially close ties to Scarborough and Newcastle (Tyne Theatre), but also Liverpool (Royal Court Theatre) and Castleford.

Does anyone have advice as to where I might go to have the best chance of finding a photograph in some duty archive?

Thanks
Tim

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Canada Lookup Request / OGS Library, North York: Edna Leighton
« on: Friday 25 May 12 07:30 BST (UK)  »
Edna Leighton was buried in Elmwood Cemetery, Markham OM (cemetery ID 4882) in 1989; Concession 8, Lot No 11.  According to the OGS Cemetery Search site,  a transcription of the headstone can be viewed in the OGS Library, North York ON.

If anyone is planning a visit to this library, I would veery much welcome information on the transcription.

Many thanks
Tim 

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The Common Room / List of lost parish records?
« on: Saturday 27 August 11 04:48 BST (UK)  »
My 4xG-grandparents were married in Newcastle in 1790, and over the next 9 years, their first 5 children were born in Gateshead.  Around 1799 or 1800, they left Newcastle/Gateshead, and by about 1808 had settled in Leeds - their last child being born there in January 1809.

In the intervening 10 years, they had three more children (including my 3xG-grandfather), but there appear to be no surviving parish records of these births.  Family oral history suggests that, during this period, the family were in the Cleveland area.  I was wondering if I could tie down the place of birth of my 3xG-grandfather by looking for parish records in the 1800-1808 period from S. Co. Durham/Yorks N. Riding that are missing.  I can find lists of parish records that are held in various locations, but not a database of lost records.  Does such a database exist?  Trying to work it out by eliminating surviving records would be very difficult!

Thanks
Tim

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