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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Ancestry Update
« on: Tuesday 26 September 23 16:30 BST (UK)  »
It seems like 3 weeks ago , at least, that there was talk, and Ancestry notifications of Ancestry DNA upgrade coming soon, which most seem to have assumed was regarding an upgrade to ethnicity estimates ( I think, I am currently very busy caring for my 97 year old Dad, and my only genealogy work done in the last 6 months has been checking my matches, and skimming this site/ facebook groups in case I have missed something important!). I didnt see any messages on my ancestry account on the odd times I went on.  Have I missed something? I do now have a paid ancestry account, though not using it much at the moment!  My Ancestry/ethnicity estimates are still July 2022. The only change I have seen recently, is that new matches are coming through with maternal/paternal, and I assume occasionally both or possibly some still undetermined, but I got the impression that this happened before the notification.  Can anyone update me?

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Ancestry Worldwide Subscription
« on: Wednesday 02 August 23 12:43 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know if Ancestry UK offers this subscription at reduced price at any specific times of the year? I have been waiting since late last year, hoping for such an offer, and missed the only one I have seen, due to holidays, in May this year!

I am considering taking it out for a year, as i am now retired, so i can investigate more fully my Irish origin ancestors whe went to all parts of the new world in the 1800's! And of course, non irish ancestors too!

Thanks
Jane

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My Dad's account is updating, and I've just checked - so is mine. Looks more intuitive, though somewhat confused as in my account, the total number of matches was 893 - now it is 5684 (!!!!$£%!!!!). And just to confuse, My Dad's was 7389, and is currently at about 1300?? Dont think it has finished mind you, so I should just be patient and check again tomorrow!

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Tyrone / Advice Please!
« on: Saturday 15 May 21 15:28 BST (UK)  »
I have been doing family history research for coming up to 15 years, seriously since 2009. I live in Scotland and my family has been in Scotland for, depending on the branch, from 150 - 200 years, and more, but I am nearly 100% Irish, with relatives in records in Scotland from about 1800, or even slightly before that date.  I have succeeded in tracing all primary branches back to Ireland, as well as most 'straggling' branches too!).

I have managed to trace relatives either from Ireland directly, or subsequent to living in Scotland, to the 4 corners of the globe, but it is not so easy to trace where you family lived in Ireland, unless the family was particularly diligent! For example, being basically illiterate untill close to 1900, we did not have any sort of 'family bible' tradition!    We knew the origin of maybe 4 of the 8 great grandparents, in terms of the county for some, and more details for others, but never as close as a townland.

Anyway, the one family that we thought was probably Scottish, is my paternal direct line, which is Allison, however as I managed to draw up my family tree back to mid 1800's, back in 2009, with amazing ease, actually, I discovered on the 1861 census, that they too came from Ireland.  Even luckier, 2 of the near grown children married in 1854, and one of them had a baby in 1855.  On that child's birth certificate I discovered that Joseph Allison was born in Tyrone (about 1832).  I understand that does not mean they 'came' from there, of course, but 16 years later, one of the younger siblings,  William Allison, born about 1840, must have said he was born in Co. Tyrone, when he gave  details for the 1871 census, and they actually wrote that down! The official entry should have simply been Ireland. So they may or may not have been from Tyrone,but they evidently lived there for some time!

Having my DNA done, and then my 94 year old fathers too, was in an attempt to find out where in Ireland my various branches came from, in more detail.  I had some luck in tracing matches I did not know, but mostly they were in USA, and like us in Scotland, things were hazey about their family history before emigratrion.

I had little luck with the Allisons, only finding matches descended from the branched descended from James Allison and Maggie Baxter, the parents of Joseph & John above.  However when I looked at my fathers DNA matches, I found a particular match, whose family had been in Boston, USA and then Ontario, Canada from the early 1830's (child born in Boston 1834). This family's Allisons linked back to Killeter, Tyrone, near Castlederg. Subsequently I have found other low level matches to my Dad, resident in North America or Australasia, with Allisons originally from Castlederg area. Many of these Allisons had left Ireland during the 1700's, or before. Interestingly, these families, especially the original Killeter' tribe, may not to have been RC, looking at the family tree & gravestone details attached to them, even though my family, when they came to Scotland appeared to be RC.  When talking to people from the old mining /agricultural village, where my Allisons were based when they came to Scotland, and where Allison's still live, the name was originally/still pronounced Ellison by some, which may be of significance.  I now think it likely that these Allisons had earlier been incomers to Ireland, perhaps from Scotland, or parts of England, who subsequently moved back to Scotland, as in my case, or on to the rest of the world, in the case of my Dad's matches.

So after that background information, on to my request.  I would like  to investigate Allison's in Tyrone and around about as there look to be some over the border into Donegal too. I understand that full civil registration did not begin until 1864, though non-RC marriages were recorded from 1845, and that by and large, there are no civil census returns available to check, but I wonder if any one could advise me of any less well known databases I could check, or any other advise on how others might go about looking for links to Allisons in the Castelderg area.  Is it possible to try and trace back from living Allisons?, if there are any still in the area!  I have looked at the Tithe applotment records, only 1 Allison found there, but he too is from close to Castlederg, and the Griffiths Evaluations, from which there are only about 5 relevant entries in Tyrone.  Any advice would be appreciated!

I can give more specific family details if that helps, but I have already gone on far too long on this post!!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / 23&Me
« on: Wednesday 12 May 21 16:40 BST (UK)  »
So I am British based, from Central Scotland, but overwhelmingly Irish in origin, with anything not Irish, being Scottish that was probably or previously Irish anyway! I have been doing genealogy for >10 years, and did Ancestry DNA in 2018, I think. I have lots and lots of matches, lots in one quarter of my tree (Maternal/Maternal), but matches throughout the rest of the tree, in various degrees too. Kept busy working on my matches for 3 years now, but hampered that I cant use DNA painter or other clustering tools  to link loads of known matches, to the unknown ones, of probably american origin, due to the high number of Irish emigrants to USA over the last 200 years, because Ancestry does not have chromasome browser tools.

I decided to do a 23& me test, for that reason, and also because that is the only database I am not in, having previously transferred to My Heritage, FTDNA & Gedmatch.  I an not over estimating  how my results will be, because I know they (23&me), are highly USA based, but feel that at least they will be USA matches with chromosome segment details, and which I may be able to use with clustering tools!  I have previously used clustering, but due to the limited database I have had limited returns, especially with Gedmatch, which is annoying as they have great tools, especially on Tier 1, but I have few matches, and  the close ones I know about anyway, while the next lot are very low cM.

So just wondering how have others with British/Irish origins found 23&Me to be??  Posted off nearly 20 days ago, but not marked as received yet, but nevertheless I'm getting excited!  How have others found it?? How I look at it, as a covid spend, it was not that expensive, and if I find a few maches as yet unknown, welll I will be satisfied!!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / New Gedmatch Upgraded system
« on: Tuesday 04 May 21 20:15 BST (UK)  »
Has anyone tried to use this??  I had a wee look this afternoon, but I could not get any of my kit numbers to open into the 'one to many' tables.  I have tried a few of times, and at best an empty one line box appears! 

THey say, chick it out and let us know what you think, but cant find a way to do that!!  ???

Jane

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / I'll tell you a wee story...
« on: Thursday 11 March 21 12:10 GMT (UK)  »
After having an atDNA test in early mid 2018, after that first flush of hyperactivity working with my top matches, to extend my tree, I did what sensible genetic genealogists do, I transferred to Gedmatch, and then My Heritage and FTDNA. On Gedmatch one of my very top matches was someone who I have failed to trace up 'til last night, though over the time I got an idea of where they fitted in, approximately, that is somewhere in my maternal grandfather's family tree. I have comparatively few useable matches on Gedmatch, so, their version of 'ICW' doesn't really help me, as apart from my first cousin who I loaded myself to Gedmatch, we only had one shared match that I knew, who is a 3C1R. That's how I knew which grandparents ancestors the match belonged to.

However it is a closer relationship than that, matching me at 135cM, and my cousin Jane at 165 cM, which brings him ( I think of it as him, but I still don't actually know) into the realms of some sort of 2nd cousin relationship.  I have spent a lot of time searching, especially when he later turned up as a match on My Heritage, and the one joint match that was significant, was again in that same Duffy quarter of my tree.The picture/icon on this match did not indicate gender either.

For a longtime after I started doing my tree, I could not trace my Grandfather's sister, Mary, I could not find her death, but, with help from here, or perhaps another genealogy forum(!!), I discovered she emigrated to New York, and sadly died in about 1943 from memory, with 4 or five children born here, and a couple USA born. I have made contact with a number of her descendants, firstly from my generation, and more lately from the one below me. So anyway last night I was trawling through ancestry hints for members of this branch, looking for hints I could actually view, as, as I only have the most basic  ancestry contract, I can see USA (and others obv.) hints, but I cant actually open them. I was looking at one of the sons born in the USA, who I had had fairly recent notice of having died ( though it was in 2007!), and what did I see but a picture of a funeral/death notification cut out of the paper.  Pictures I can look at!  It went through the family litany, sons, daughters, with married names, and husbands first names in brackets, these notices, which are not common here anymore, are great for filling out lateral branches. I nearly missed it, I nearly didn't open it, but when I read through, one of the daughters was listed as Cindy Pappas.  She would be my 2nd cousin.  The email from GEDmatch was jpappas@xxxxx.  It is quite an unusual surname, in the correct part of the family tree, at the exact 'distance' it should be...bingo. So at 1.30 am, last night, I entered Cindy Kane and her son(!!) to my tree, copied the segment details from Gedmatch, and painted it to my chromosomes on DNA painter, where they overlapped with more distant matches, and my common ancestors to them, and indicated where that segment had been descended from, before I got it from my great Grandfather Henry Duffy or his wife Catherine Curran - and in fact,  it came from the Curran side, well at least that segment did.

It would have been so easy to miss this, and I wonder how many times I may have missed it previously.  My motto now must be,  if you see something interesting, look at it now, don't think, ah, I will come back to that, because you don't always remember to do that.  Well I don't!

So, now I have solved that 3 year old mystery, I will have to find another to 'gnaw' at!

PS - I recently 'met' another of 'his' second cousins on line , from one of the other children of Mary Duffy, I will message him and see if he can put me out of my misery, is J Pappas male or female?? Also, does anyone know if you can add a neutral family member to Ancestry?  Looking at it, looks like you can only add a spouse, son, daughter, brother or sister, yet I think I have seen neutral relatives on other people's trees??

Oh, and yes I tried emailing the match, more than once, but 'he' never replied!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Researching East European relative
« on: Sunday 07 March 21 14:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, this is slightly off topic, but not entirely, as I am obviously going to contact DNA matches in my search.

I have a cousin, more like a sister, who's Mum was my Mum's sister, and who's Dad wad a Polish immigrant who came to Scotland on the cusp of the 2nd world war.  They married in 50's, and he only went home once, after he got British naturalisation, in the late 70's I think.

Anyway, other than his parents names, my cousin Jane knows little else. Her Dad died in Early 2000's. Jane is contacting his 2nd wife, ( her mother died in 1961, which was why she lived with us for some years), for any information she may have to pass on to me.

One of the many problems, is that Poland changed it's shape quite a lot during the 20th Century, disappearing at one time, even ( ?possibly in previous century, cant quite remember!), and Janes Ethnicity result reflects this - Czeck/Slovak/Lithuanian/Russian-, as well as the 50 % Irish/Scottish, like the rest of us!

I dont expect anybody to tell me exactly, but it would be great if I could find a resource to look up how to research relatives from behind the 'iron Curtain' - oh what a dated phrase! I see it as a bit like looking for the family of an adoptee, with the added frisson of them coming from 'across' the continent, from a place where no one (as far as i know) tests, I dont know the language, and we're out of Europe on top of that ( sorry could not resist the last one!).

Clearly my first step has been to give her a tree of her own, and then to clarify as much info as possible before I start, then contact her matches, who mostly look young, and in the USA, so may well know little from before the family came from Europe. But after that???  - I will need to do a lot of investigating before I get started.  Any advice accepted gratefully!

Jane

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / FTDNA query
« on: Thursday 18 February 21 11:59 GMT (UK)  »
Quick question, hopefully easy to answer by someone who knows!  Tested originally with Ancestry, and later tested my now 94 year old Dad there too.  I uploaded myself to Gedmatch, My Heritage & FTDNA. I decided to upload Dad's data to FTDNA, which I did I think on Saturday evening. By Sunday morning his matches had appeared, and earlier in the week his ethnic origins ( or whatever they call it!) also appeared. I had expected that my results be split between maternal & paternal, now Dad was also on the database, but realised that I had to give us a linked relationship, which I did. I have now had a 'rotating circle' (denoting I assume actively doing 'something'!), marked Calculating Family Matching, for, well this is the 3rd day I am sure.  Nothing obvious has changed. Is this length of time normal, does anyone know, from experience of doing the same thing??

PS - Interested in this now partly because I have been doing a Genetic Genealogy course in my spare time, as I retired at New Year, and since I am single, I needed something to tide me over through lockdown on my own here. I was having a go at DNA Painter, and needed matches whose segment co-ordinates I could use.  Ancestry is not very good  for that!! PPS I know I can't use my Dad's match segment co-ordinates on my Chromosome mapping!!

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