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Thanks @shaunj - that also confirms his mother was Fanny Siddons.
I was questioning whether I had the right family background because of the discrepancy in this father's occupation. So sad that his father was married and had 3 bereavements for each of his wives. Henry's younger brother John Edward Harper also was born and died in 1875 and at least 2 or 3 or of his step-siblings also died.

Thanks for everyone's help! Only another 100+ other Board of Trade names to research!

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Yes - I've also traced Thomas Harper back - see: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/116702037/person/390174665042/facts. Its the jump from being a shoemaker to innkeeper that was bothering me.

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The other thing that makes me doubt the records is census estimating his birth at 1876. I've previously found the birth for 1874 (which points to his parents being Thomas Harper and Fanny Siddons) but not 100% sure its all correct.

It's great to have a second opinion and view of the records from different perspective. I really want to honour Henry Harper's lifestory in right way and that means identifying the correct person through the records.

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Thanks for the reply @heywood - I have found the records for Thomas Harper (innkeeper) and Fanny Siddons and that's why I am confused by Henry Harper's later marriage record listing his father as a "shoemaker".

On the regimental number of 7569 that was his earlier pre-war service record, which tallies with him returning to army as a "Wheeler Staff Sergeant" and previous army service.

Unfortunately his full service record does not survive. Already aware that only about a quarter of the WW1 service records survive due to records being bombed during WW2, so completely understand that I won't be able to piece everything together. I just really hope that I've linked Henry to the right family.

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This is the history of the 160th Brigade, Royal Field Artillery - https://wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/fartillery.php?pid=9751 - it says they went overseas in January 1916.

Another thing that puzzles me is who Henry Harper served with before that date as he served in France from 31 May 1915. Maybe he transferred to the 160th Brigade (given his previous army record). I am aware that Henry's war service record does not survive so its not going to be possible to piece everything together.


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Thanks for the help so far. I am particularly keen to work out whether who I think is Henry's father is correct or not. If Thomas Harper was a cordwainer in 1851 maybe its the same person and he later worked as an innkeeper.

According to Henry's "UK, Soldiers Died in Great War entry" he IS recorded as "died at sea".
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/381343:1543?ssrc=pt&tid=116702037&pid=390174665042 - I am guessing that's an error.

Then in his record of personal effects he is listed as "accidentally drowned.

Henry was previously in the army before WW1. He was based at Christchurch Barracks and there is a record for him at Royal Hospital Chelsea dated 1912. I haven't seen the actual record only the index record.

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Hi there. I am currently researching the life of Wheeler Staff Sergeant Henry Harper who died in WW1 on 30 May 1916. He was married to Emily Brooke and they married on 13 April 1901 in Christchurch, Hampshire. According to his wedding certificate his father was "Thomas Harper" a shoemaker and he isn't listed as deceased. This is leaving me feeling a bit confused as from searching out records, I think his father might be Thomas Harper, innkeeper of Duke of York Pub, Frodsham Street, Chester (who died in 1887). Looking for the power of the crowd to identify the true origins of Henry Harper - so that I can determine what his real family origins are.


https://boardoftradewarmemorial.wordpress.com - see entry - https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20070604034733/http://www.dti.gov.uk/about/aboutus/warmemorial/ww1/indexd/page30069.html (I think the 1901 family connection is incorrect)

Also why would someone serving with the Royal Field Artillery be listed as "accidentally drowned" or "died at sea".

Thanks in advance.
Ed

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Thanks for everyone's responses - much appreciated. As I said in my original post and the reason why I posted - I would like to SEE copies of the actual contents of the papers at the library ie the photos of Thomas, Ellen and Ada and the other biographical information.

I have already traced the family backwards and then downwards and I was already aware of the other articles on Trove detailing Thomas job at Brisbane Courier. But good to have confirmation from others in case I have missed anything.

Sadly Thomas has no living relatives as his daughter Ada died in 1920.

The executor his will, Theodore Campbell Amsden, who was his stepson, died in 1931. Theodore seems to have had two daughters who died in infancy and a third daughter also called Ada Grainger Amsden who survived to be an adult but died without children in 1970.

Someone questioned who his parents were - and they were definitely Richard and Jane Martha Wontner - and why look for this information when I should look elsewhere. That's just because I am keen to explore all available sources in case it tells me something new. And also I would like to know more about the social context.

As a separate fact, I have traced Thomas's sisters lives and thanks to my efforts I found a picture of them in the archives in Olney, England although sadly I can't identify which sister is which from the photo. To see a photo of Thomas and his family would be fantastic.

And really disappointed that someone is being sarcastic and tracking when I have logged on and commented about me not replying 😥 That's not  very friendly. I have a busy life apart from family history.

And separately I am still keen to determine the precise  ancestry of Richard Wontner and how he and Thomas connect with my direct family line. I've seen a Pallot baptism index record for Richard Wontner and so know his father was also Thomas Wontner (and mother Margaret).

I am curious if there is any mention of Leominster or Herefordshire in Thomas's biographical papers. Even a brief mention would confirm a connection to my family line.

I love family history and all the connections you can make. Thanks again and hope to one day see the pictures and correspondence.

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Hi Rootschat members in Brisbane

I have a big ask! Does anyone in this group live near the State Library of Queensland in Brisbane? I live on the other side of the world so unfortunately can't get access to the library. I would be really grateful if someone could spare the time to access the Thomas Wontner Correspondence and Photos that are held at the library to see what information is available.

I am trying to establish whether Thomas Wontner (who was the son of Richard and Jane Martha Wontner) are related to my direct family line

It would be totally amazing to see copies of the photos and letters.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/235427258?keyword=Wontner

Hoping that the archive will shed some light on Thomas Wontner and his family.
Thank you in advance

Ed

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