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New Zealand Completed Requests / Auchterlonie & Girdle Stain
« on: Saturday 29 September 12 20:55 BST (UK)  »

Sorry when I replied I could not attached the pictures of the Girdle Stain. See also the monument at Ablermo as this is beautiful and is supposed to depict the Picts winning the Battle at Dunnichen.

Regards Kevin

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Auchterlonie
« on: Saturday 29 September 12 20:47 BST (UK)  »
I saw your reply and my apologies as to not answering sooner as I had a death in the family and I don't look as often at my second email address.

As you are an Auchterlonie it would be interesting to compare you DNA to mine as my Lonie line goes back to the 1640s in Fife. I am still trying to get back into the Angus area but at  that point we are well and truly in Pictland. Spelling is not that important as it depended on the scribe. My earliest spelling is Aughterlonie/Lony/Lonnie/Lonie from Balmarino Fife. My surname is Lonie.

I recently have had an interesting read about the Hill of Lownie which is where the land is that the Auchterlonie's took their surname from. Auchter (uachdar) scots gaelic meaning hill or summit and Lonie (lonidh) meaning pathway. The "Hill of Lownie" - Auchterlonie or in Scots Gaelic - uachdarlonidh. I have seen other translations such as a field of elk and or blackbirds, or high swampy ground - which is what it was when the battle was as the Picts hid in the swamp and then dealt to the English. The Battle Dunnichen.
 
Now getting to the nib of this find. This property still has a Pictish Boundary Stone - the "Girdle Stane". Its easy to find in the internet. There was a huge battle in the area where the Picts killed the English.

If you can send me your tree I will compare with the other Auchterlonie Trees that I have to see if someone else has already done the work for you.

Regards

Kevin Lonie

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Auchterlony/Auchterlonie/Auchterlownie/Lownie
« on: Tuesday 13 March 12 20:58 GMT (UK)  »
Since my earlier post my line descends from David Auchterlonie/Lony and Agnes Faulkland from Ceres Fife who wed in 1685.

I had by mistake gone up a wrong branch, which has now been corrected.

Our family by 1718 had dropped the Auchter and have used Lonie to this day.

So far we cannot get back beyond David's birth c1660 - but where ? I have seen that some are listing his father as a George - cant see any proof, but Agnes's father was a George.

It is most likely that they may have come from Angus where I can see probable parents. So far I have seen two Davids and one James all born around c1660 as the top of three trees and so far these trees don't touch ! I may have to look at the wills if they exist for the Angus Ochterlonie members.

Some Ochterlonie's in Angus had sons by those names about 1660 - its less than 50 miles away ? Sorry just working from a map scale.

Is there anything you can share with me.

Regards

Kevin Lonie

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Fife / Re: My Fife Families (1620-1850)
« on: Saturday 04 February 12 03:52 GMT (UK)  »

I see common ancestors surnames in your list. I descend from David Auchterlonie & Agnes Faulkland. My surname is Lonie the shortened form in the early 1700s. My line is through Edinburgh John (Auchter)Lonie & Margaret Simpson. My gggfather David Lonie & wife Margaret Scott left Edinburgh in 1858 to settle in Dunedin NZ.

Kevin Lonie

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Auchterlony/Auchterlonie/Auchterlownie/Lownie
« on: Saturday 26 November 11 02:08 GMT (UK)  »
I have an Auchterlonie Tree from Ceres. There is a David Auchterlonie 1816/1892 listed with a wife Jane/Jean Crawford. This surname in next generations has become a christian name. If you want the tree read my messages and email me and I will give it to you.

Kevin Lonie aka Denchfield

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Auchterlony/Auchterlonie/Auchterlownie/Lownie
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 21:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply. The information was submitted by a Daniel M Fernie of Utah. He could be a LDS member. My mail was returned from his listed address. I understand your caution.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Auchterlony/Auchterlonie/Auchterlownie/Lownie
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 02:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the corrections to my posts. My family have lived 5 generations away from Scotland and local knowledge I do not have.

I do have my own family tree plus I have the trees of the Ceres Auchterlonie's (David Auchterlonie & Agnes Falkland) plus the Tree of the Leslie Auchterlonies -  I believe they are the Golfing family of the St Andrews area.

I tried to post them to a recent message but that failed.

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I am happy to share what I have. The work on these trees is not mine so I cant guarantee the contents.

I have yet to get my Lonie surname back to the Auchterlonie form in the area of Midlothian. Both Surnames were used in the area, and some folk used either or both forms of the surname dropping the Auchter then picking it up again.

The highest persons in my Family Tree is a James Lonie born c 1660 Glencorse married to a Hellen Hogge 1683 she was born 1664. Her parents were a Robert Hog b. 1638 married 1663 to a Margaret Wilson b.1642. This is all in the IGI. One of their daughters took the surname Hogge not Lonie.

For clarification the use of the word CLAN was not meant as in a SCOTTISH CLAN. It was meant as a FAMILY GROUPING within a family surname - like a PET name to distinguish one group from another. As they all had the same surname it was just a method of separation.

Regards
Kevin Lonie

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Auchterlony/Auchterlonie/Auchterlownie/Lownie
« on: Tuesday 30 November 10 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
Have you read Blacks "Surnames of Scotland" it outlines the origins of Auchterlonie. From memory there are 26 variant spellings. My family name is Lonie being the shorten version of Auchterlonie. I can trace Lonie back to 1632 in Edinburgh at Glen Corse (Glen Cross) forgive my spelling. Mostly the were from Craig Millar and Liberton then Midlothian area. There were lots of families using both spellings in areas. There is a gentleman by the name of Walter Savage in Melbourne Australia that had tracked all the families and broke them down to clans during his research. My family left Edinburgh in 1858 for Dunedin New Zealand and I presently live in Queensland and I have some of Walters research papers. There are a lot of Lonie's in Australia and New Zealand.
Lonie from the Gaelic (somthing Lonidh) means a pathway. Auchter means "high" - as it comes from the area of the Ochil Hills in Scotland. Though I have seen it translated as "a field of blackbirds". Auchterlonie family coat of arms haves multiples of 8 buckles/scallops on the shield - aucht is 8 in german funny that ! From my understanding the Auchterlonie's lives amoung the Picts and they were east coast Scots so non clanish. There is an Ochterlonie Tartan but I dont know the background.

The earliest was Woutier de Aughterlowny - who signed the Ragman Roll in 1296 as an act of Fielty to King Edward Longshanks. Remember Braveheart - William Wallace did not sign it - so he was treated as a traitor.

When the Lonie's dropped the Auchter they often kept it as a 2nd or third christian name 

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: German Immigrants to NZ COMPLETED
« on: Monday 29 November 10 11:37 GMT (UK)  »
Gary, I know of a Frederick William Peters with an Inglewood connection. To let me know that we are dealing with the same person can you give me his wife's full name and marriage date please.

I am a researcher and know about German Ancestry in NZ as my relatives were German Poles - any Germanics had to register as aliens by 1911 otherwise they would have been interned during the WWI. Look for The Register for Alien Registration.

Even David Lange's relatives are in the register. If they are in the index you can get a copy of the registration papers from National Archives for a fee.

Spelling may be different to what you presently use as it may have been anglicised a few times.

 :D

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