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vther twa ky and y[ai]r followars pryce of ye peace w(i)t(h) ye followar orheid
xij lib. Sum[m]a xxiiij lib. q[uhi]lk he delyvered for ilka ky of ye defuncts q[uhi]lk
he sould Item w(i)t(h) Johne grahme in murrenhill Twa ky and ilka stirk
pryce of ye peace w(i)t(h) ye stirk orheid xij lib. Sum[m]a xxiiij lib.
Item three coddoches twa quoyes and ane ox pryce of ye peace of ye
Coddoches and quoyes orheid iiij lib. pryce of ye ox xx m[er]ks s[um]ma
xxxiij lib. vj s 8 d Item w(i)t(h) James halyday in gillenbierig his brother
Twa oxen coddoches and ane quoy coddoche pryce of ye peace orheid
iiij lib. Sum[m]a xij lib. Item w(i)t(h) Johne halyday his sone Twa ky
ane stot and ane quoy w(i)t(h) calffe pryce of ye kow xij lib. pryce
of ye stot and quoy orheid iiij lib. Sum[m]a xxxij lib. Item w(i)t(h) Johne
halyday sone to Christopher halyday brother to ye s[ai]d Defunct
ane kow q[uhi]lk he sould heave delyvered to ye s[ai]d defunct for ane
kow of his q[uhi]lk ye lairdener mairt gat pryce y[ai]roff 12 lib. Item m[ai]r
w(i)t(h) him ane stot and twa quoyes p[er]teining to ye s[ai]d kow pryce of ye
peace orheid iiij lib. Sum[m]a xij lib. Item w(i)t(h) ye said Cristopher halyday
ane brand rigged kow Twa coddoches and ane quoy pryce of ye
kow xij lib. pryce of ye peace of ye coddoches and quoy orheid
iiij lib. Sum[m]a xxiiij lib. Item w(i)t(h) Symon halyday his brother
ane blak stot pryce y[ai]roff iiij lib. Item w(i)t(h) William greme
in Lambeck Twa quoyes and ane quhyte stot pryce of ye peace
orheid iiij lib. Sum[m]a 12 lib. Item w(i)t(h) Johne Grahme in underwoode
ane quhyt quoy kow pryce y[ai]roff iiij lib. Item w(i)t(h) Gis shaw
ane blak halked quoy coddoche pryce y[ai]roff iiij lib. Item w(i)t(h)
Thomas Broune in helbeckhill Three ky and Twa stirkis pryce
of ye peace orheid xij lib. Sum[m]a xxxvj lib. Item w(i)t(h) marione
halyday spous to Johne Davidsone in moffet ane kow pryce y[ai]roff
xij lib. Item w(i)t(h) James Wilsone in blaikest ane kow pryce y[ai]roff
xij lib. Item w(i)t(h) ye said James halyday exe[cuto]r abouenamed Twa ky
and twa oxen pryce of ye peace of ye ky xij lib. pryce of ye
peace of ye oxen xx m[er]kis Sum[m]a L lib. 13 s 4 d Item in ye
Defuncts awin po[ssessio]une in Leithenhall Ten ky and ffour oxen Twa
quoyes and ane bull pryce of ye kow orheid xij lib. pryce of ye ox
xx m[er]kis pryce of ye quoy iiij lib. pryce of ye bull x lib.
Sum[m]a J c iiij xx xj lib. vj s 8 d Item of ewes and Lambis Tuentie
score pryce of ye peace of ye ewe w(i)t(h) ye lamb orheid xl s
Sum[m]a viij c lib. Item of Dinmounts gimmers and tuppes ffyfteinescore
pryce of ye peace orheid xxx s Sum[m]a iiij c L lib. Item
ffourteinescore hoggis pryce of ye peace xx s Sum[m]a ij c
iiij xx lib.

I have just transcribed it without explaining any of the words (eg a blak halked quoy coddoche is a young quey coloured black with white spots, a lairdener mairt is a beast slaughtered for eating over the winter, and hoggis are sheep, not pigs). Let me know if there is anything you are not sure about.

J c iiij xx xj lib. vj s 8 d (£100 + ££11 = £191 6/8d)
Ij c Iiij xx lib. (£200 + £4X20 = £280)






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It is an abbreviation ending in d. Could it be afores[ai]d instead of repeating the county?

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Lanarkshire / Re: Free Church Training School Glasgow. 1865-67
« on: Thursday 23 May 24 19:39 BST (UK)  »

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish testament dative 1658
« on: Monday 20 May 24 23:29 BST (UK)  »
You posted this in your previous post, so I have just copied and pasted my transcription from there.

Deads Pairt is -

William [      ] of Drumgarland Com[m]issar prin[cipa]ll of the
Com[m]issariott of du[m]fries vnderstanding [filler] I decerne
y[ai]rintill (= thereintill = in that matter) and gives & co[m]itts [filler] Reservand (=
                                                                            reserving/excepting) [          ]
[filler] and being sworne & made faith [filler] Q[uhai]rupoune (= whereupon}
[....................... blank .......................] Became cau[tione]r
as ane (= an) act made y[ai]ranent (= thereanent = on that matter) beares

This is very sketchily written, probably because the estate left was so small. They have not even given a total for the inventory (it amounts to £22 13/4d). There are several meaningless fillers, the executors are not named again where it refers to them being sworn and undertaking to carry out their duties faithfully. The name of the cautioner has also been omitted.

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The Common Room / Re: Ship "Catherine" of Glasgow @1854 - 1856.
« on: Monday 20 May 24 23:22 BST (UK)  »
Perhaps the newspapers might help. It would seem that there was more than one Catherine. One left Liverpool for Quebec, struck a rock off Wexford  on 25-3-1851 and was abandoned. The coastguard salvaged much of the cargo, sails etc. and there was a subsequent salvage case at the Admiralty.

There is also a ship out of Glasgow called the Catherine Ewan.

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Not Ino, GR2. It’s Jno. The J is the same as in John.

I don’t know why Jno was an abbreviation for John, but I know it was.

I wrote Ino rather than Jno because that's how it appears in the two signatures. You tend to see the J in Jno written without a tail, as here. When he signs his name John in full, he does give the initial letter a tail.

The ultimate origin of the abbreviation Ino/Jno is the Latin for John which can be written Iohannes or, in later texts, Johannes.

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I agree that they are both Ino Beaman, Ino being an abbreviation of John. He signs again as John further down the page.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish naming patterns
« on: Tuesday 14 May 24 21:04 BST (UK)  »
The so-called traditional naming pattern has the first son called after the paternal grandfather, the second son after the maternal grandfather and the third son after the father: the first daughter called after the maternal grandmother, the second daughter after the paternal grandmother, and the third daughter after the mother.

However, this is not always strictly adhered to and children can be called after friends, neighbours, more distant relations, an employer, the minister, the schoolmaster, the doctor etc. Again, if the father and both grandfathers are all called John, it throws everything out.

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