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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Friday 11 May 12 00:59 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for that - I have copies of papers relating to JSL and so on and you are welcome to peruse them but I dont wish to write on this site as it is too time consuming for me - I am as happy as a sand boy to help you out with whatever you wish and certainly more than appreciate the information you have given me, especially the last two contributions.

I have sent you my email address and you can make contact on it if you wish to go further otherwise my sister might like to follow up by taking my place on here

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 22:24 BST (UK)  »
I had never looked at it that way - I guess I simply never thought of that! -  I had merely looked at it from the perspective that Irihapeti was sister of Hoanu Matui - yes.

Also I tend to get mxed up because Irihapetis mother has been listed as Ripeka Korako and as Ripeka Mate...I need to do a lot of checking and will ave the answers here (I think) but simply havent got the time atm

Hemi Paiki was described as having been descended form 'The Aristocratic lines of Waitaha.'

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 10:46 BST (UK)  »
I think I have the answer to the Hemi Paiki question and will do a double check but not right now - this is getting too complicated but I am happy to help you out with all information I have but it might be best to contact me personally...does this site allow it?

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 10:04 BST (UK)  »
I did not know of Hemi Paikis Diary at the Hocken Library - thats a new one to me - he is my Grandmothers father. The Heaths are not descended form him though as they are descended from Joe Heath Snr
Emma Was married three times - Joe Heath - Hemi Paiki - Thomas Turner.
Rose Paiki married Tumaru   Hana Married Te Whao and  Minnie married William Thomas

I pass the Hocken Library now and again so might do a bit more delving myself if I can muster the enthusiasm. I gave up being interested in Whakapapa years ago.


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 09:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Upokoruru on Thursday 10 May 12 08:48 BST (UK)
so Lammerlaw, do you come down the Paiki side from Ema?I  found some whakapapa for Paiki's father and mother, Hemi Hape and Erihapeti/Elizabeth.Not sure how reliable it is.Needs to be cross checked.
I wanted to contact Whitmore, because she (?) posted a whakapapa on the internet way back in 2001 which appears to connect to Reko, son of Te Pananehu, and someone called Mairaki.Te Pananehu and Reko are my tipuna, but the lines Whitmore showed are new to me, but of great interest.

I have many pages of the Hemi Paiki whakapapa but the only small link I have not got is the connection with Korako of Murderering beach if it exists and according to my grandmother 'that was my line' - Hemi Hape came from the same line as Tikaos and Irahapetis mother was Ripeka Korako. Yes the Paiki line is my line.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 07:50 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Upokoruru on Thursday 10 May 12 07:19 BST (UK)
kia ora Lammerlaw,
I have researched a lot of S.Iland Maori history over the years,especially whakapapa.I have traced the whakapapa for Romia, Peneamine Te Kihi's wife, but not any further back for Te Kihi, except what appeared in the Maori Land Court minute book no.42, p.349, in 1967 which was given by Rose Paiki Tumaru ,daughter of Ema Saunders-Loder and Hemi Paiki.Rose gave a whakapapa that placed Peneamine Te Kihi as the son of Tanihera Teko or Reko and Mairaki Punamaru.She claimed Tanihera was her gr.gr.grandmother, although Tanihera is probably the same as 'Taniera', i.e, a S.Island transliteration for the name 'Daniel'!But why does Tanihera have both names ?Teko and Reko?The only Teko I know of was a man lived at the Punamaru nohoaka-settlement in 1848 of the Kati Kura hapu (probably from the tipuna Kuratakiao).The census places Teko's age as 48 ,whilst Peneamine Te Kihi in Waikouaiti was 46.This Teko cannot be Te Kihi's parent.Te Kihi's parents would be born.circa 1780.

At this point I think that the line in question comes to an end at Teko and Mairaki Punaomaru - at a cursory glance that is as far back as I have. For the other members of my Family, Hape and Ripeka Korako I can go back as far as it goes.

Your queries re ages etc and who is whos parent I cannot try to work out at the moment. I have dozens of pages of whakapapa BUT I gave up on it twenty years ago as I was tearing my hair out trying to fathom it out then decided that it could wait and it is still waiting.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: james saunders or saunders-loder
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 06:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Upokoruru on Thursday 10 May 12 06:05 BST (UK)
I am also open to discuss with any one regarding Jimmy the Needle's first wife, Pere Kapu, the daughter of Peneamine Te Kihi and Romia and aspects about the relevant whakapapa that goes back from Peneamine Te Kihi including the Land Court minutes of 1967 in relation to Tanihera Teko/Reko.

Interesting - I have a photo of JSL's daughter on the wall behind me as I type - it was her who told my grandmother (her daughter)  of the money I mentioned earlier.

I have considerable papers relating to JSL but att his point in time am too disorganised to feed the cat let alone look out or sort them out. I am a great great grandson of his.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Emma Saunders/Heath/Paiki/Turner - burial place
« on: Saturday 28 May 11 07:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi Margaret
I just phoned my father and he didnt know Margaret Sarah Heath so you have him puzzled but she will be a sister of dads Uncle Joe. There are serious divisions amongst some family member but of this you may not be aware but suffice to say I refuse to take sides!
I will have to look to see what the Benson tie up is. I do know my grandmother said that the Peneamines were first cousins but I will have information here ot tie it all up.
I noted Pyke Road down toward Glenavy and have wondered if it was tied in with the Paikis. Hemi Paiki was called by the Europeans James Pyke I think as someone told me that was the name on the title of the land between our house and the Heath home which was the next one across the paddock and Hemi Paiki did own two fifty acres blocks, one on each side of the house. In between those two paddocks was a 14 acre one and that now belongs to my cousin.

Cheers
Graeme T

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Emma Saunders/Heath/Paiki/Turner - burial place
« on: Monday 23 May 11 11:24 BST (UK)  »
I am a descendant of Ripeka Korako, Irehapeti Matui, Hemi Hape, Te Kihi Peneameni, Emma Saunders and Hemi Paiki et al. Now that puts me as a descendant of her marriage to Hemi Paiki...I have been staying at the Marae the last three weekends.
Now I am not certain of the photo to which you refer but I do have a photo of her well dressed standing beside another lady who is likewise well dressed but do not know who that person is. The photo on my wall is one of Emma and Tommy Edwards from Bluff and  Joe Heath Jr so more of interest to my Heath cousins.
Perhaps you came up to the Mo Tatou hand over when the taonga came from Invercargill - if so you would have seen me as I was there. I also ended up having to supply twelve photos representing Waihao at twenty four hours notice for the exhibition in Dunedin and attended the closing.
My computer is new so I havent a clue how to get photos into it, edit them nor send them on so cannot get any on to share atm - I also cannot download information without it getting well and truly lost in the ether

Cheers
Graeme

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