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Hello Mark
Thanks for that information, I will have another look into it. At the moment I am about to re-install Windows 10 Pro as it has a few problems  so I will be off air for about a day but will go into those records again for about the thirtieth time!!

Regards,
Bram

Hi
I'll go along with that, we have two candidates for Thomas's 'Father'? The christening of Thomas to parents Joseph and Alice in Heptonstall and his identifying Blakey Hartley as his father in his later marriage. As Joseph has now been proven to be deceased it seems to be what we would today call an adoption by Blakey? Thomas did very well for himself to become a Tailor and I wondered if there would be any papers indenturing him to a master Tailor?

I have been searching all day with all possible spelling for Thomas 1841 - Nothing -Nowt!

Bram

You have worked very hard!

If you only have George as the father of Joseph in Wakefield, that Joseph died. I posted the death at the beginning of this thread.

That would then leave you with no parents for Joseph, I know, but leave other searches open.

I will go along with that, but then we have this to fall back on:
Page 224, Entry No. 671
Marriage of Joseph Abbott
7 February 1819
Burnley St Peter
Joseph Abbott,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Bachelor
Alice Riding,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Spinster
Married by Banns.
Witnesses:
In the Presence of James Hey and James Hargreaves
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This becomes the only solid information left on OUR Joseph, their marriage with no father given unless it is recorded somewhere else? We really need to be able to open this marriage up but at the moment I am at a loss? Also You get back to the Censuses again but where are they???

Bram

Here they are.
Thomas William Abbott b 17 December 1902 in Nelson, Lancs,
Married Martha Prestidge Sewell 05 Mar 1927 at the Salvation Army in Nelson

Atkinson Abbott b 1 April 1880 Barnoldswick, Yorks,
Married Annie Elizabeth Dawson, (2nd wife) 09 Dec 1899 in Nelson

Broughton Abbott b 09 May 1855, Barnoldswick, Yorks
Married Eliza Garner (2 Wife) , 26 Jan 1876, Gill Church, Barnoldswick

Thomas Hartley Abbott, (Habbet) b 04 Feb 1829, Heptonstall, Yorks
Married, Rachel Atkinson 28 Jul 1851 Barnoldswick

Joseph Abbott, Baptised 04 Nov 1786 at Wakefield All Saints Church, Wakefield,
Son of George and Sarah Abbott  Ref D30 Page 46

Page 224, Entry No. 671
Marriage of Joseph Abbott
7 February 1819, Burnley St Peter
Joseph Abbott,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Bachelor
Alice Riding,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Spinster
Married by Banns.
Witnesses:
In the Presence of James Hey and James Hargreaves

The reason for this post/thread is we can find nothing further about Joseph and Alice except their children that they obviously had;
PR 3027/1/9
Baptism at  Burnley St Peters
Olive Abbott
Page 362, Entry No. 2958
9 January 1820
Abode: Hunslet, (Told; in the Parish of Leeds, Co. of York".)
Father Joseph Abbott, Cloth 'Dresser?'
Mother: Alice

Thomas Abbott b Abt. 1825, Pateley Bridge, Yorks
Buried  14 Oct 1828 at Church of England, Colne, Lancs

Thomas Hartley Abbott b 04 Feb 1829, Heptonstall, Yorks
Married Rachel Atkinson, 28 Jul 1851, Barnoldswick

IGI Christening Reference shows father as Joseph Abbott and Alice.
THOMAS ABBOTT
 bapt 31 MAR 1829   Heptonstall, Yorkshire
Parents: JOSEPH & Alice ABBOTT, Occupation: Rag Gatherer

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1851 Census:
Windy Bank, Colne Lancashire
HO107/2254/ 83 p 23.
Colne, Lancashire
Blakey Hartley,  Head, age 65 Rag Dealer, b. Colne, Lancashire
Betty Hartley,    Wife   age 62                   b. Colne, Lancashire
Thomas Abbott,          age 22 Tailor,          b. Hepponstall, Yorkshire
======================================================

HO107/2254 Burnley   Colne
Folio: 383
Page: 23
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1861 Census:
Orchard Cottages, Barnoldswick, Yorkshire

Thomas Abbott,      Head age 32, Tailor                  b. Heptonstall, Yorkshire
Rachel Abbott ,      wife  age 30   Cotton Weaver     b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire
Blakely Abbott        son   age 8                              b. Barnoldswick Yorkshire
Broughton Abbott,  son age  5                                b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire
Matilda Abbott,       dau  age 3                               b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire

RG9/3184  Skipton   Barnoldswick
Folio: 66
Page: 36
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1871 Census:
Church Street Little Marsden Lancs

Thomas Abbott,         Head  age 42 Tailor b. Keplemstall(?), Yorkshire
Rachel Abbott,          Wife   age 41 Cotton Weaver b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire
Broughton Abbott,     Son    age 16 Cotton Weaver b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire
Atkinson  Abbott,      Son   age    9 b. Barnoldswick, Yorkshire
Ellen Ann Abbott,      Dau   age    4 b. Marsden, Lancashire
Thos William Abbott, Son   age    1 b. Marsden, Lancashire

RG10/4155  Burnley
Folio: 157
Page: 16
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Death Source:
June Quarter, 1873
Burnley District, Lancashire

Hope that fills in a few of the gaps, if I/we could only find Joseph in the 1841/1851 census or - his earlier death that would join the dots?

Regards,
Bram Taylor

These men are all direct sons of the person next in the chain?

Hi
This was the basis of that information
Baptism: 1786 Ref: D30
Joseph Abbott
Son of George and Sarah Abbott
Wakefield all Saints, Wakefield, West Yorkshire
Page 46
November 4th 1786
Wakefield All Saints
Wakefield, West Yorkshire
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Page 224, Entry No. 671
Marriage of Joseph Abbott = Rachel Abbott
7 February 1819
Burnley St Peter
Joseph Abbott,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Bachelor
Alice Riding,    Of This Chapelry,    Weaver, Spinster
Married by Banns.
Witnesses:
In the Presence of James Hey and James Hargreaves
=============================================
Thanks again,
Bram