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Kerry / Re: Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Thursday 02 October 14 08:22 BST (UK)  »
I have now been informed as a result of a conversation between my friend and her aged aunt, that two of the O'Sullivan girls were called Nora and Bridget.  Where they came position-wise in the 11 children I have no idea.  The other snippet picked up from the aunt was that Mary O'Sullivan's father Timothy was deceased prior to Mary coming to England ion 1917/18 - not long before, maybe 1916/17 ?  This would mean that with Mary being born November 1900 and her father dying 1916/17 that 10 of the children would have been born 1901 - 1916.  Hope this extra information helps.  I am still searching.  Thanks.

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Kerry / Re: Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Monday 29 September 14 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Since my last post I have been informed that of the 10 girls one was called Bridget and one Nora.  When after Mary they were born I do not know.  Mary 1900 - 10 girls and 1 boy.  The father Timothy had died prior to Mary coming to England in 1917 so all 11 children must have been born between 1900 and 1916 at the lastest.  From this it would seem that they were born only about 1 year or 18 months apart.  I have tried researching O'Sullivan and Sullivan and still cannot get anywhere with this family.  I am at a loss now as to what to do. 

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Kerry / Re: Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 08:11 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Sinann - hopefully it will be soon because I seem to have exhausted all other avenues and at the moment seems an impossible task finding this Mary and her kin.  Thank you so much for trying to help

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Kerry / Re: Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Wednesday 24 September 14 11:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi - not unfortunately I do not know any of the other girls' names but the one boy was John though whereabouts in the 11 children he came I have no idea.

I had not thought of contacting the church to see if her motgher's name was listed in their records.  I didn;'t realise quite honestly that both parents names would be noted.  Thanks for that tip.

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Kerry / Re: Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Tuesday 23 September 14 18:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Annclare - thank you for trying.  Unfortunately this is not the correct family, neither is the baptism.  Mary (Ages) O'Sullivan was born either November or December 1900 and if the Irish census was taken at the first half of the year she would have only been a few months old on the 1901 and 10 on 1911.  As for the baptism I am afraid that Mary was born 1899 not 1900 and the Mary I asm looking for was the eldest child followed by 9 sisters and 1 brother - don't know what sequence.

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Kerry / Mary O'Sullivan and/or father Timothy O'Sullivan - Killarney
« on: Tuesday 23 September 14 09:01 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to help a friend discover more about her grandmother.  She was Mary Agnes O'Sullivan born end of 1900.  Mary claimed to come from Killarney.  Mary apparently came to England age 17 (on her own) and went into domestic service.  According to her marriage cert 5 July 1924 in Coventry her father is shown as Timothy O'Sulliivan deceased.  No former occupation was given for Timothy.  It would seem that Mary - is Agnes her confirmation name? - was the eldest of 11 children - 10 girls and 1 boy.  I was hoping to find Mary and father Timothy on 1901 census when Mary would show as only a few months old or on the 1911 showing Mary as a 10 year old.  This I have been unable to do.  Has anyone any idea what else I can do to discover this elusive pair.  I have no idea what Timothy's wife was called or how old Timothy was.  The only information is that he was deceased by 1924 , alive in 1901 and hopefully as he had 11 children still alive in 1911.

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Hi - thanks for your reply.  I thought perhaps I should investigate the death of Matthew and because he was resident in Cramlington in 1851 (census) I looked for deaths of a Matthew Walker between 1851 and 1861 when his wife was described as widow and found one.  As Matthew was a miner I checked with the Durham Mining Museum data to see if he had been killed in a mine accident but he wasn't listed so I then checked ordinary deaths in Northumberland and I found one:  Matthew Walker death registered Dec 1860 ref 10b 151 Tynemouth.  I then checked to see what area Tynemouth reg district covered and it does include Cramlington, so I am reasonably confident that the 1860 death is Matthew.  I was wondering if just Matthew moved to Cramlington circa 1851 or whether others moved too.  I know brother William didn't move until after his marriage in 1855 and birth of his two children in 1857 and 1859 respectively but am now going to see if maybe Robert moved too - if of course he had not already died !!  It is just so frustrating to find a glimpse of Robert but not being able to follow him through.  I'll keep trying !!  Thanks again for your correspondence.

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Hi Davidft - thanks a million for that wealth of information.  Apologies for delay in replying but I have been studying it and trying to process it all.  Regarding the 1851 census - you wouldn't believe it but I cannot find my note anywhere.  It is so many years since I stopped trying to sort the Walkers that it must be somewhere in the loft.  However I have tried unsuccessfully to find it on Ancestry and can't !!!  If I come across the note I will let you know.

Regarding the offspring names possibly opening things up I decided to try and track Matthew the eldest child (of whom I had no knowledge previously).  I couldn't positively identify him in 1841 and the most likely was a Matthew Walker living Hare Gille Lodge? Ellingstring district in parish of Masham.  He is described as Ag Lab and is there with various other people non of whom are his family.

I did track him in 1851 where he is living in Cramlington, Northumberland age 28 with wife Elisabeth age 23 and their children Elizabeth 6 and Jane 5 months - together with Thomas Hawkins age 29 !!!  This confirms the wife to be Elizabeth nee Hawkins.  I then found that Elisabeth was the dau of John Hawkins 1801-1857 and Jane Long 1797-1888 and had been born in Crayke ?  Now under normal circumstances I would not have considered this as a suitable location, Cramlington, Northumberland being a long way from his Yorkshire roots BUT brother William was married 1855 Kelloe Parish Church to an Elizabeth Thirlaway b. Cassop Colliery and by 1861 they too were living Cramlington !!  This to me seemed a good link.  By 1861 Matthew seems to have died and we find Elisabeth living in Cramlington with Abraham Hawkins 20 as Head b. Osmotherley, his brother Jacob 15 born Osmotherley, Jane Hawkins 63 Mother a widow b. Crake, Elisabeth herself age 33 a widow, her daughters Elizabeth 14 and Jane 10 (described as b. Heildon??)    By 1871 Elisabeth (Matt's widow) is 43 living alone and decribed as a confectioner.  That is as far as I have gone.  Mary the other child I am hoping the other poster gets back and helps out there.

thank you so much for your efforts.  I really am appreciative.  You have reignited my interest in the Walkers and I shall continue trying to find out more about them.

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Hi Sandy - are you still happy to send me the details of Mary Walker/husband and children ?  I would be interested to see it.  Thanks, Margaret .....

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