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Does anyone out there have a copy of Charles Percy Archer's "Historic Cheshunt"?  I think there might be some important information in it with regards to the Bellamy family and was going to ask if anyone with a copy would be kind enough to look a few bits up for me.
Thanks in advance

Hi

I'm wondering if someone can do a look up for me on the St Mary Rotherhithe parish register for a marriage between a Joseph (Josiah) Bellamy and Elizabeth ... probably somewhere between 1743 and 1747.

He may be listed as being from Cheshunt in Hertfordshire or possibly Charles Parish, Plymouth, Devon.

Unfortunately, I can't find anything through the usual routes.

Thanks in advance 

Hi Janey

Sorry I've not been in touch for a while!!!

I've scoured as many records as I can find on line and even ordered some wills from the national archives and I've drawn a complete blank on the Edward/Josias connection.  I think you are right in that this was a tree pulled together by someone in the 1960s (as far as I can understand) and by all accounts not the most thorough of genealogists or honourable of individuals if the rumours are to be correct.

My instinct, like yours tells me that the route back is through the Ballamys in Cornwall ... so I started wading through parish records and lo and behold, look what turned up ...

Issue of Daniell and Ellenor Ballamy

1680 Josias (that'll be our fella hopefully) - Landrake
1686 Elizabeth - Landulph
1688 Samuel - Landulph
1691 Daniel - Landulph

and last but not least ...

1694 William - Charles Plymouth!

Looking on a map, Landulph is north of Landrake ... en route to Plymouth if you were taking the landbased route.  But those births at least give the family a connection to Plymouth (and indeed the right parish).

I am wondering if Paul is Daniell's brother or possibly uncle (brother to Daniell senior) ... over two generations, many of the names are mirrored in each family: Mary, Josias,John, William, Jane, Samuel, Elizabeth, Daniel - is this coincidence?  And perhaps there are others - there is a substantial gap between the birth of Josias in 1680 and his sister Elizabeth in 1688, though I've been unable to find any more births.

I think i've found Daniell's wife, Ellenor's, death in the St Andrew parish records in 1721, though I've had no luck finding Daniell's.

It's increasingly feeling more likely that my Ballamys have no connection to London (not at this stage anyway) - so the next challenge ... let's see how far back with can get with the Ballamys and can we find where Garthred (Gertude) came from?

Looking forward to some more of your insightful help!

You've been so amazingly helpful ... thank you so much!

Best wishes

Nat

Ok this first post is for Janey - as promised the connection between Admiral Sir George Somers and the Bellamys of Plymouth:

John Somers of Lime Regis married Alice
Issue 1: George Somers 1554-1610 married Joane Haywood (no issue?)
Issue 2: John Somers 1559-1625 married Jane

John and Jane
Issue: John Somers baptised 1579 married Winifred

John and Winifred
Issue: Jane Somers married William Lymbry

Jane and William
Issue: Joane Lymbry married Solomon Andrew 1640-1701

Joane and Solomon
Issue: Mary Andrew married Thomas Hayes of Plymouth

Mary and Thomas
Issue: Rose Hayes 1710-1752 married John Cremer (Rambling Jack) 1700-1774

Rose and John
Issue: Peter Franklin Cremer 1733-1808 married Mary Bellamy 1741-1802

And Mary Bellamy is the sister of George Bellamy (father of George MD) 1740-1804!!!

And there you have it! Now, there is one caveat ... this is taken from a tree which I think I have now found to have a couple of flaws and I haven't validated the information but hope it helps