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Carlow / Re: Bertie Byrne - Hacketstown
« on: Yesterday at 22:48 »
Denis Dalton has a few charges for Drunkenness in Wicklow and Hacketstown.

I think he might have been in the army in earlier days - Dublin Fusiliers.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Hacketstown/Bridge_Lane/1037834/

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Carlow / Re: Bertie Byrne - Hacketstown
« on: Yesterday at 22:26 »
Denis and Bridget Dalton (Byrne) are in Bridge Lane
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Hacketstown/Bridge_Lane/308129/

Is she your Bridget though? I can’t spot a marriage yet.

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Carlow / Re: Bertie Byrne - Hacketstown
« on: Yesterday at 20:09 »
With regard to Bridget and Bertram - the record is from Dublin and ‘where born’ is Bridgefoot Street. Would that be Dublin?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Counterfeit birth certificates in 1920s?
« on: Yesterday at 19:53 »
Thanks for the explanation, AntonyMMM. I was going off the Free BMD indexes.

Looking at the dates and names, perhaps it was an informal arrangement that the child would be handed over after birth and be given the name of the new foster parent as part of his name.

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Carlow / Re: Bertie Byrne - Hacketstown
« on: Yesterday at 18:39 »
That census for Mary is 1911 not 1901, Wexflyer, so the age doesn’t fit.

There was also a daughter, Bridget, b 1876, I think.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Counterfeit birth certificates in 1920s?
« on: Yesterday at 18:07 »

As you can see from Audrey’s certificate there is an ‘A’ for Occasional Copy A certificates.
Audrey was registered with both names in 1917, Koselj and Weigand and similarly in 1919, Weigand with mmn Weigand.

I have read over the two threads but have you posted the full details from Harold’s birth certificate?

Added
I see DNA has been mentioned and that seems a good idea.
I know you say that Audrey is a sister your grandfather did not know about but that may not be the case.
It does seem quite a tangle.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Counterfeit birth certificates in 1920s?
« on: Yesterday at 16:08 »
Reply #35 - the previous thread:
“ Wow! You were all right weeks ago! My Grandfather was Harold Arthur Forrest Koselj. I had no way of identifying him as such a few weeks ago but I finally received the divorce file yesterday where Eleanor's first husband Frederick caught up with her. It mentions that she gave birth to two sons in her second marriage and there is a handwritten note stating their names. So far, this is the only information I have, I don't believe that Elsie the mother was ever a Forrest. The Father on the certificate is Ivan Koselj. Could the mother have simply lied about having previously been a Forrest, in order to make passing him over to the Forrests a bit easier? Irene/Eleanor has form for making up maiden names, the name Hardinge that she was using appears never to have been hers to use and was borrowed to enable a second marriage to Harold Forrest Senior without a divorce from Parsons.”


Just posting this more for myself probably, so it seems that Irene/Eleanor was the mother and I K was named as the father but somehow Harold is in the picture too because of the name Forrest.
Not sure now what the problem is. If there is no copy of the birth certificate used by Harold jnr then it can’t be solved, surely.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Counterfeit birth certificates in 1920s?
« on: Yesterday at 10:22 »
Quote from: Dundee on Yesterday at 09:58
Quote from: Dundee on Tuesday 30 April 24 23:58 BST (UK)
Just adding a link to the previous post.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=881050.0

Debra  :)

You are very patient, Debra.
I think I understand now - Irene/Eleanor is not named as mother - is that it? Is the mother, Elsie?
Aren’t there some birth certificates which are Occasional copy A? Might that be the ‘A’.




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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Counterfeit birth certificates in 1920s?
« on: Yesterday at 10:00 »
Quote from: heywood on Yesterday at 09:48
I am not sure I am keeping up here - so is he Harold Arthur Forrest, b 1919, Lambeth living in Hampstead in 1921 with Harold and Eleanor Forrest?

Marriage 1922, Hampstead
Harold Forrest and Irene Hardings

This family are together though in 1939, but does fit with the previous information.
Maybe he was ‘adopted’ by Harold.

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