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Hi mckha
Well I had to navigate them elsewhere today, and I thought I had mucked up the exam link :-\
So this might work, or it might not
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2651/images/31451_214822-00030


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Oh well found Mabel.
It does sound like good news for us. The plot dilutes!

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Hi again
I do think it could be worth getting that birth record of Louisa Annie in Dec 1860, in Pancras.
Especially since you can now get an instant digital image to download for just £2.50 from the GRO. No waiting at all to see if she was indeed born on 7 November in the St Pancras workhouse.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

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The father George Edwards was supposed to be a "Gentleman's Gentleman"? and spoke various languages? The story goes that he left the family and Jane had to look after all the children by herself.

There is a rough settlement exam of Jane Edwards, age 33, in St Pancras in early 1861.
Sometimes these things can be a bit of a damp squib, but this one is crazy good ;D

The gist of it -
Husband absent.
Says she was wed to Edward Edwards as Smithe spinster at Baden Baden, Germany, 3 March 1848.
2 children, Emma Jane, 6 years, and Louisa Anne, 3 months.
Husband left her in August 1860
He is a Servant. No relations. He was the illegitimate son of Lord Beresford and born in Waterford, Ireland about 45 years ago.
I am the daughter of John + Anne Smithe, both deceased. Father was a (small?) Farmer
I have an elder sister, Mrs Elizabeth Farrer (?), living at Sleaford, Lincolnshire, who could give more information
I was born (in?) Englefield Green, near Windsor.

There are certainly some similarities there to the family tales, even Windsor gets a mention!

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In the 1861 census Jane, Emma and Louisa are at Tottenham Place, St. Pancras
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M756-B15

Jane Edwards is 35, Married, a House Servant, born Surrey Englefield Green.
Emma Jane is 8, born Middlesex St Marylebone
Louisa Anne is 5 months old, born Middlesex St Pancras

Now things get really murky.
In 1871 Jane and her family are still in St Pancras. Recorded as Edward.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDC-NF6

Emma is not there, and there is another daughter. But she is not called Elizabeth!
Jane Edward is 46, now a widow, and a Hawker. She has lost an eye. Not sure what the place of birth says, but it ends with the word Green!
Louisa is 10.
The other daughter appears to be Fanny E Edward, 8, born St. Pancras.

There seemed to be a good candidate registered in Sep 1863, Pancras.
Edward, Fanny Elize. This is from the retype of the original GRO index
The new index has her with a slightly different middle name (possibly mistranscribed from the cert)

EDWARDS, FANNY  ELSIE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 144

Looks good. But no, she sadly appears to have died, with her death being registered in the same quarter.
EDWARDS, FANNY  ELISE     
Age at Death (in years): 0 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in ST PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 115

There is a burial indexed on Deceased Online of a Fanny Eliza Edwards, 13 September 1863. Authority Camden.

So who is the "Fanny E" Edward in 1871? Where did she spring from? Is she Elizabeth in disguise, and, if so, who was she really?

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Gro.Gov Records
Emma Jane Edwards 1853 Marylebone mother maiden name Smythe

Louisa Annie Edwards 1860 Pancras  mother maiden name Smythe

I am now thinking that the workhouse/school records could relate to the births flagged up earlier by Rosie. You have told us that there may have been an older sister Emma.
So here are the full details from GRO

EDWARDS, EMMA  JANE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: SMYTHE 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 314

EDWARDS, LOUISA  ANNIE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: SMYTHE 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 114

The mother of these two girls was Jane.
It looks like Jane and her daughter Emma were in St. Pancras workhouse in 1860. Records are on ancestry.
There were two successive admissions in October.
Jane Edwards 35
Emma Edwards 7
On the first admission Jane is described as Servant. On the second she is a Tramp.

In the workhouse Jane gave birth to a girl on 7 November 1860. This is the same birthday you have for your Louisa Annie, though the year is different.

Emma was sent to the school at Anerley on 19 November.
Jane (and baby as well, I guess) were discharged on 18 March (1861)

Meanwhile, curiously, there is a baptism (on ancestry) that gives the daughter's name as Jane.
5 December 1860 at St. Pancras, one of a number of workhouse baptisms that day
Jane
Parents Edward + Jane Edwards
Father a Servant
Abode Workhouse
Born 7 Nov 1860

One of the other workhouse baptisms that day was Rebecca, daughter of John + Mary Eliza Webb. Also born 7 November.
There is a birth reg for her as Rebecca Eliza Webb in Pancras, Dec 1860, 1b 114. That is the same GRO ref as for Louisa Annie Edwards. There is no birth reg of a Jane Edwards at that time in Pancras.

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Marriage
Elizabeth Alice Edwards place of birth London, spinster, parents George Edwards & Jane Edwards nee Compton.

The birth date I was given for Elizabeth 17 May 1866 London. Lousia Annie 7 Nov 1863 London.

I cannot find any document on these parents.

Hi there
I think that perhaps some of the information you have about Elizabeth Edwards and her family is true (sort of!) and some of it isn't. Most particularly the info she herself gave on her marriage record.
Obviously there is no sign of a marriage between a George Edwards and a Jane Compton, or (now that we have the maiden names from the GRO site) any birth registrations of children.

Possibly this is because Elizabeth didn't know very much about her parents, especially her father, and got some things wrong. There may be a deeper reason though.

I have been trying to hunt down an Elizabeth and a Louisa Edwards who appear in St Pancras workhouse/school records. With mixed success! These two were possibly related, i.e. sisters, but are not always together. To confuse things, there is more than one Louisa in the records, and possibly more than one Elizabeth too, so my brain has become a bit addled by it all!

So here they are in a St Pancras workhouse school record (Most of the London records on FamilySearch are no longer available to us, but a few remain)
Admitted 13 June 1873
Louisa Edwards, age 12 yrs
Elizabeth Edwards, age 10 yrs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3NG-Q62V

They were both discharged on the 19th June
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3NG-QDLZ

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« on: Wednesday 22 May 24 17:08 BST (UK)  »
The Griggs appear on Wellington electoral rolls in the 1890's
For 1896 we have
Griggs, Henery Edward, Thompson street, Seaman's electoral right No. 1A issued
Griggs, Elizabeth Alice, Thompson street, married woman, residential
and in this year also
Edwards, Louisa, Thompson street, spinster, residential

This is about the time of the photo of Louisa Edwards and her niece Lousia Alice.
Henry Griggs is in the 1896-7 PO Directory at Thompson Street, not a vast number of other people listed there.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« on: Tuesday 21 May 24 18:17 BST (UK)  »
Outside possibility for Louisa (who ended up in Australia) in the NZ passengers lists? :-\
SS Arawa, departed London 7 August 1890
Third Class
Miss L Edwards
Occupation None
Age 30
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SGQ-M88

Hawkes Bay Herald, 24 Sep 1890
Wellington, Tuesday.
The Arawa, from London, arrived at 4 p.m. to-day....
The Arawa's passengers for Napier are—
Saloon, Lady Whitmore, Mrs Dixon, and Mr Wilson : steerage, Miss Edwards.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBH18900924.2.3.5

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