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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Tuesday 20 March 18 03:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Sarah, I knew that Nicholas was a widower when he married Margaret McWilliams but it never occurred to me that he might have had children from his 1st marriage.
Do you have his wife's name & when they married? It looks like her first name was Jane if my research is correct.

I have found the following birth/baptisms:
Robert, b. 26th March 1861, bap. 14th April 1861, son of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Rebecca, b. 18th April 1863, bap. 10th May 1863, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Mary Jane, b. 26th July 1865, bap. 13th Aug. 1865, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Charlotte, b. 5th Sept. 1867, bap. 13th Oct. 1867, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow

Are these people your great grandfather & great-great aunts?

I found the death of a Jane Hopkins in County Carlow, aged 34, 1870, 4th Quarter, Vol. 18. P. 295. That would place a birth around 1836.

I would be interested in any information you can add.

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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Tuesday 12 December 17 14:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ross,

I posted that information on Sunday 03 January together with other information concerning the Hopkins & Toole families....

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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Friday 10 November 17 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the tip about the 7 year rule Dathai. I found some more information on the R.I.C. Code on the Royal Irish Constabulary which was very interesting. I expect that Timothy & Johanna would have had to try to keep their marriage in 1871 a secret.

Re: Mary Hopkins' death in 1917, I can't find a match with any of my family so I don't know who she was. And none of the oher Mary's match James' wife. It's all a bit odd.

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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Thursday 09 November 17 13:31 GMT (UK)  »
I’ve been doing some more research on the Hopkins & Toole families & thought I’d share what I've found out.

James’ wife Mary was born in 1874 in Clonegal, Shillelagh, County Wicklow.

Mary TOOLE born 1st December 1874 in Clonegal, Shillelagh, Wicklow, daughter of Timothy TOOLE of Clonegal, a Sub Constable R.I.C., & Johanna TOOLE formerly LONDERGAN, registered by Timothy TOOLE, father, residing in Clonegal on 7th December 1874.

Her parents were Timothy Toole & Johanna Londergan / Lonnergan / Lonergan / Lundrigan who married in Tipperary. I have found conflicting marriage records.

Timothy TOOLE and Johanna LONNERGAN were married on 15th November 1871 by the very Rev. William Canon Hall(?) in Clonoulty, County Tipperary. They were living in Cappamurragh.

There is however also the following possible match. It is possible that the marriage in 1871 was formally registered in 1873 as the following are from the civil registers: Name: Timothy TOOLE & Johanna LONERGAN, Date of Event: 1873, SR District/Reg Area: Cashel, Returns Year: 1873, Returns Quarter: 1, Returns Volume No: 13, Returns Page No: 347.

Timothy’s police records have the following marriage date: 5 July 1873. He joined the R.I.C. aged 19 in 1866 in Tipperary & was posted to County Carlow a few months later where he remained until his death as a retired police sergeant in 1901.

Timothy TOOLE death 18th July 1901 in Tullow, Carlow, married, aged 57, a Police Pensioner, Cause of Death: Heart disease, 3 years, registered by Thomas TOOLE, son present at death, residing in Tullow on 24th July 1901.

His wife died in 1907:

Johanna TOOLE death 19th November 1907 in Tullow, Carlow, widow, aged 54, a Policeman’s widow, Cause of Death: Apoplexy, 13 days, registered by Thomas TOOLE, son present at death, residing in Tullow on 20th November 1907.

It is odd that their 1st child should be born in Clonegal, Shillelagh but perhaps they had temporary lodgings there. Their other 6 children were all born in Tullow (John 1877, Timothy 1879, Thomas 1881, Michael 1883, Anastatia 1887 - died shortly after, James Christopher 1890).

I have located all 7 of the children of James Hopkins & Mary Toole which ties in with the 1911 census (7 children born alive, 6 of which were still living).

Looking at the 1901 Census James & Mary’s eldest child, Mary, was aged 11 so she must have been born in 1899. James & Mary married in May 1900 so clearly Mary‘s daughter would have to be illegitimate & this is the reason that no registration for a birth of a Mary HOPKINS can be found. She was in fact registered as Mary TOOLE. Whether James was the father is unknown.

1) Mary TOOLE born 17th February 1899 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of Mary TOOLE, registered by Eliza POWER,
nurse, present at birth in Tullow on 20th February 1899.

2) James HOPKINS born 16th October 1900 in Tullow, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by James HOPKINS, father, residing in Tullow on 5th November 1900.

James died aged 18 days.

James HOPKINS death 3rd November 1900 in Tullow, Carlow, aged 18 days, a Cooper’s child, Cause of Death: Weakness from Birth, registered by James HOPKINS, father present at death, residing in Tullow on 5th November 1900.

3) Margaret HOPKINS born 3rd January 1902 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by Mary HOPKINS (her mark), mother, residing in Tullow on 17th January 1902.

4) Sarah HOPKINS born 17th March 1903 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by Johannah TOOLE (her mark), present at birth in Tullow on 17th April 1903.

Johannah TOOLE is probably Mary’s mother.

5) James HOPKINS born 26th June 1904 in Carlow Workhouse, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by W PELLORROW, Occupier, Workhouse on 28th July 1904.

It is unknown why James was born in the Workhouse.

6) Annie HOPKINS born 31st May 1906 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & May HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by May HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 13th June 1906.

7) Nicholas HOPKINS born 10th January 1908 in Tullow, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by May HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 21st February 1908.

I have not been able to find Mary’s death in the records but it must have been after the 1911 census & before James remarried in the U.S.

Perhaps someone can help me find her death? Any other information would also be fascinating to hear.

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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Friday 03 November 17 00:09 GMT (UK)  »
I was just reading through the last few posts & was thinking that if James Hopkins sailed for New York on the “Teutonic” in 1908, then that might explain why I can’t find him on the 1911 census or anywhere else.

Perhaps he left his wife Mary and their children & went to try his luck in the USA & didn’t return. He might have pretended that he wasn’t already married & then married Ann(i)e Dunn(e) in Illinois in 1918.

This is just speculation of course.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading  the posts about the descendants of my great-great-aunt Margaret McWilliams & her husband Nicholas & would very much enjoy to hear more about their children which settled in the US.

Tony McWilliams, Frankfurt, Germany

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Carlow / Re: James Hopkins Born 1879 County Carlow - Hopkins Family Tree
« on: Sunday 03 January 16 15:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, I am related to Margaret McWilliams who was the sister of my gggrandfather John Heny McWilliams who moved to Birkenhead, Cheshire some time in the 1870's (I am also a McWilliams). I have a copy of her marriage from the Irish records:- Margaret married Nicholas HOPKINS on 20th May 1872 in the Church of Tullow, Tullow, County Carlow, Ireland according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland. Information from the marriage certificate:-

Margaret McWILLIAMS, of full age, spinster, a Servant, living in the Parish of Tullow, daughter of Robert McWILLIAMS, a Post-Man &c, married Nicholas HOPKINS, of full age, widower, a Cooper living in the Parish of Tullow, son of Ben HOPKINS, a Farmer.

The marriage was witnessed by John CARROLL & Richard MEREDITH.

I also have copies of the birth/death entries of their 10 children. This is the entry for James: James HOPKINS born 23rd September 1878 in The Mullawn, Tullow, Carlow, son of Nicholas HOPKINS of The Mullawn, Tullow, a Cooper, & Margaret HOPKINS formerly McWILLIAMS, registered by Margaret HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 25th October 1878.

The baptism from the church records: James born 25th September 1878, son of Nicholas and Margaret HOPKINS. Abode: Mullawn, Tullow, Carlow; father’s occupation – Cooper. Baptized 12th January 1879.

I have the following marriage from the Irish records:

11th May 1900 at St. Columba’s Church, Tullow, County Carlow, Ireland according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland.

James HOPKINS, of full age, bachelor, a Cooper, living at ?, Tullow, son of Nicholas HOPKINS, a Cooper, married Mary TOOLE, of full age, spinster, living in Clure Street, Tullow, daughter of Timothy TOOLE, 4 Sergeant R.I.C.?

The marriage was witnessed by James HOPKINS & Margaret HOPKINS.

And this concerns Timothy Toole: Timothy TOOLE, born in Queens County, married, enlisted in the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, aged 19.
(Source: The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816 – 1921 on the Ancestry.com website).

Queens County was the former name of County Laois.

Looking at the 1901 census, taken on 31st March 1901, for Crosskeys, Tullow, James & Mary were living in Mary’s father’s household:-

Timothy TOOLE   Head   Roman Catholic   56      Police Pensioner RIC   Queens County
Johanna TOOLE   Wife   Roman Catholic   54      House Keeper      County Tipperary
Timothy TOOLE   Son   Roman Catholic   19y 6m      Labourer              County Carlow
Thomas TOOLE   Son   Roman Catholic   17y 3m   Labourer              County Carlow
Michael TOOLE   Son   Roman Catholic   14y 6m   Labourer              County Carlow
James TOOLE   Son   Roman Catholic   10y 4m   Scholar         County Carlow

James HOPKINS   Head   Church of England   22      Cooper         County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS   Wife   Roman Catholic           24      House Keeper      County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS   Daur   Roman Catholic           2y 1m                County Carlow

In 1911 James wasn’t at home but Mary was not a widow either so perhaps he was working elsewhere, perhaps England.

The 1911 census for Barrack Street, Tullow, taken 2nd April 1911:-

Mary HOPKINS      Head   Roman Catholic   36      Seamstress   County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS      Daur   Roman Catholic   11      Scholar      County Carlow
Margaret HOPKINS   Daur   Roman Catholic     9      Scholar      County Carlow
Sarah HOPKINS   Daur   Roman Catholic             8      Scholar      County Carlow
James HOPKINS   Son   Roman Catholic             6                County Carlow
Annie HOPKINS   Daur   Roman Catholic             5                County Carlow
Nicholas HOPKINS   Son   Roman Catholic     3                County Carlow
John TOOLE      Broth.Roman Catholic   34      Labourer      County Carlow

Mary had been married for 12 years with 7 children born alive, 6 of which were still living.

I hope this helps with your search.

Tony McWilliams



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