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Found records of two Henry Hamper baptisms

HH bapt in Street, 28 May 1801 s/o Henry and Jane Hamper
and HH bapt in Westmeston 22 Oct 1797 s/o John and Amy Hamper

The one born in Street seems to be in Ramsgate Kent in 1851, he is a widower and living with him is unmarried sister in law Frances Ann Baldock b Canterbury, Kent, so unless he married a second time to a Miss Baldock, possibly also of Canterbury, he is probably ruled out, but due to his parentage a possible brother to the George H of Street who married in Westmeston.

What did your HH call his children? that can sometimes give a clue as to parents.

Henry, John, Emma (Amy) and William  :D  I love using that clue (with caution). When I get the tree done, I'm going to count how many times each name appears. Dad's middle name is Henry :) and the Henry I'm looking for here would be his great-great grandfather.

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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340

p336

Yeah, I work away and won't be home until September so that's out. BUT following the links I did find out that I have a LHS in my home town in the middle of nowhere! So, that's something.

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Civil Registration, and therefore Marriage Certificates, came into being on 1st July 1837.
Before that date you have to rely on Parish Register entries.

FamilySearch only has the entry from its "England, Marriages 153801873" collection - and that only has the basic details you have found.

So, you need to find out where the parish registers for Westmeston are held?
They will be at East Sussex Record Office, at The Keep.
http://www.thekeep.info/about_us/services/

Thanks! I'll look into that. Looks promising.

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From the BT -
Marriage was by Banns
No marital status given.
Henry + Lydia both of the parish
They both marked
Witnesses William Marchant, William Hemsley
(Hemsley was a "regular" witness)

The only other marriage at Westmeston that year was on 21 April, George Hamper of the parish of Street + Mary Jane Peckham (both single). Witnessed by a Henry Hamper and a Jane Hamper (all marked)
John

Thanks so much John. I have some questions.
I've asked elsewhere in the thread, but just in case: Banns are announcements or the actual union?
What does "they marked" mean?
BT means Bishop's Transcripts correct? Does that mean I might find more info on a Parish Register, possibly?

I think the Street/Streat Hampers are not my line, at least at this point. Westmeston and Keymer are two important areas. Later Laughton, Lewes and Hailsham.

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images can be viewed here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PN7-KHK?i=335&cat=586340

p336

Rhamper,
You have to ignore the fact that they say they are only viewable at a family history centre.  If you register on the site you can see those records.  Sometimes the same message is displayed on their site for other records and you can't see them from home.

As it turns out, I do have an account there and in fact I have my family tree there. So I could view the image. I was surprised. I couldn't save or print it but that's ok. It was great to see it.

So I learned something new; there are some nooks and crannies on Family Search I didn't know about. They never came up in a search. Or are they part of the transcriptions and I just see the end result of others hard work? I just have to learn to find my way there. Like all the Westmeston parish links, I had no idea I could get to those. Thanks for your help!

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Holy Smokes LizzieL you are a machine! I'll need some time to digest the information, but thank you for your efforts and thanks to all for the rapid response. Very much appreciated. I'll likely have more questions, some concerning the process etc. Would they be better off posted in the  general chat or can I continue here.

For instance, at this time are marriage banns an annoucement of intention to marry or is it actually the legal union from that date (no ceremony, basically like a Justice of the Peace)?

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Death Henry Hamper, c. 1833 to 1841, Westmeston
« on: Monday 07 August 17 06:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi Again,

This is linked to my previous post. Henry Hamper seems to disappear on me. He's not around for the 1841 census but most of his family is (Westmeston Parish, Lewes Chailey West Firle & Newhaven). Lydia, his spouse, is listed in subsequent census as "Widowed" (1851, "Widow of
Ag Lab").

Henry's last son William was baptised in September, 15th, 1833 so theoretically he was around up to January 1833 at least. As I mentioned, he is not in the 1841 census, nor does he return for any other.

I've done many death searchs for that time period but have not been able to come up with Henry within those dates. Well, one, but he would have been 74 in 1834!! Not impossible, but not likely.

All of my sources are 3rd party. I have not seen the original documents yet.

Thanks for looking!

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Hello All,

New member from Canada and fairly new to genealogy. I've made a lot of headway, but I'm a little stuck and I'm not sure if what I'm looking for even exists.

I've established that Henry married Lydia Juniper, 4th, November, 1823 in Westmeston, Sussex. However, it's little more than a registration, just their names, no witnesses, no parental names. I've previously used the various censuses and marriage documents to link and confirm other parentage for other couples, but obviously I've run out of censuses for this couple at this date :)

I suspect Lydia's parents are Samuel and Mary, but I can't confirm that.
I know their four children were all baptised in Westmeston: Henry, John, Emma and William.

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