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Messages - jaywit

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Thanks very much for all the information about Ellen. I must admit I had dismissed her because of Lancashire and I hadn't followed her through.

The problem with Thomas is as you can see there were Cross families in Westmorland before Thomas moved there and trying to work out which were Westmorland families and which were my Thomas isn't easy.

I don't think my Cross family had any connections with Westmorland, I  can trace them in Buckinghamshire back to the 1700s so why Thomas ended up there I don't know.

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The Common Room / 2 Crosses and a Capstick, where did they go?
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 19:09 BST (UK)  »
I have put this in The Common Room as I have no idea where these 3 people went, could be anywhere.

Thomas Cross was born in Steeple Claydon Buckinghamshire on 12th September 1857 the youngest child of William Cross and his wife Maria Jennings.
Thomas didn't marry young he lived at home with his parents ( and mother after his father died ) and elder brother William.

Maria Cross died on 30th November 1899 leaving William and Thomas on their own.
William married on 7th April 1890, I know everything about him from that time ( he was my grandfather ).

On the 1891 census Thomas was living at the George and Dragon Kendal as an Ostler / Groom.
In 1895 Thomas married Mary Caley, she gave birth to a son Thomas ( John Thomas ) in 1897, she died in 1898.

Thomas remarried to Margaret Ann Dobson in 1899 and she gave birth to 2 children Ellen Maria in early 1900 and Albert Edward in early 1901.

On the 1901 census the family are living in Levens.

1905 Margaret Ann died.

On the 1911 census the 3 children are living in the children's home attached to Kendal workhouse, I can't find Thomas snr.

Thomas jnr. stays in the Kendal area and can be traced to his death.

On 1921 census Ellen is a live in servant in Sedbergh Yorkshire. That is where  she must have met her future husband Richard Capstick it was his home town.

They married in 1922, a short tragic marriage. Ellen gave birth to 2 children Thomas Richard and Ellen Marie both of them dying as babies.
Richard died on 18th July 1924.

The last time I can find Ellen is on Richard's probate granted in October 1924 admin. granted to Ellen Maria widow value £483 5s 7d.

There is a marriage in 1927 of an Ellen M Capstick to Harry Grimshaw in Lancashire, I think this is a different woman.

Thomas snr. I can't find a death that fits. Albert Edward I can't see for sure after the 1911 census.

Ancestry family trees --------- There is one that has Maria dying in 1884 and Thomas in 1940 in Henley on Thames, I'm sure this has mixed up 2 different families.
There is also one with Ellen showing Richard not dying  until the 1970s, I am not convinced by that one.

So Thomas Cross, Albert Edward Cross an Ellen Maria Capstick what happened to them?

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I would say that just because the newspaper report said something it doesn't mean it was true.

Could have been a garbled reply from William Jagger or a reporter's mistake.

Yes - that's my inclination but it seems SO specific. And it has the occupations of the other son perfectly.  I am inclined to think he is not a son-in-law exactly. But some other sort of relation.

I imagine that the son he lived with was present at the interview so the reporter would have asked him directly about his occupation so it would be correct.

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I would say that just because the newspaper report said something it doesn't mean it was true.

Could have been a garbled reply from William Jagger or a reporter's mistake.

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My first family doctor worked from his surgery which was attached to his house.

I always thought he was very old, ancient in my eyes.

|I looked him up on the 1939 register and he would have been 58 years old when I was born so early- middle 60s when I remembered him, shows how you view of ages changes as you get older.

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Well I have a both sides match with 18cM who has a tree on Ancestry that contains Barons, Earls, Sirs and a Prime Minister from all over the British Isles ;D

I would love to know how they connect to my Midlands ag. labs.

Was doing my kids' father's side and stumbled across a 17th Century document regarding 'the noble' origins of one ancestor (reason why he refused to pay certain taxes) due to descending from a 16th C bastard that had been acknowledged. Went on a research binge in the archives and managed to actually find the older document, only to discover that one of my ancestors was mentioned in it as well; both were the illegitimate offspring of two cousins 'sowing their oats' among the commoners  ;D

Fairly certain there are many more cases like this in which the kids weren't acknowledged and/or documentation has been lost. And yes, the descendants of our noble bastards ended up stuck elbow deep in clay soil, growing produce  ;)

My thoughts were that at some time one of the 'nobles' had fathered an illegitimate child, but then how come they are connected to both sides when my maternal and paternal families lived in different counties?
Also looking at some of the lines ( many Wiki entries) they were part of the English aristocracy who basically ruled Ireland, I have no connections with Ireland.

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Well I have a both sides match with 18cM who has a tree on Ancestry that contains Barons, Earls, Sirs and a Prime Minister from all over the British Isles ;D

I would love to know how they connect to my Midlands ag. labs.

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I think we do think that a talented artist will have gone through Art School and probably from an artistic family.

She did take up with William Barnes who was involved with Music but again how and why.

Could her absence in 1911 mean she was involved in painting somewhere else. Scotland? France?

She must have gone to numerous schools  in different parts of the country as the family seemed to constantly move around, again not conducive to art training.

A mystery.

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