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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 19 April 24 20:35 BST (UK)  »
I've been in touch with Salford council regarding the electoral roll for 1930, the year of Elsie's marriage to Thomas, to see if Alice was on it............she wasn't, so I've requested a search for the previous 2 years, 1928 when she would have been 21, and 1929, if she is on neither then its clear she moved out sometime between the 1921 census when she was 14 and 1928 when she was 21.....the mystery deepens and the search continues  ::)

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 18:47 BST (UK)  »
I have Alices DOB as 15th May 1907 in Sandbach GRO Ref 8a/306.
The William Bell as a witness to Elsie's marriage is her brother, good tip about the electoral register, I'll get right on it.
It would seem the family never lived in Manchester/Salford before Mary Ann's death in 1909, she was in hospital there for treatment, and the girls are listed in Sandbach on the 1911 census.
At some point the family DID move to Manchester/Salford and certainly before 1815 as Joseph was attested to the Manchester regiment at this time, the question which I don't think will be answered is why?

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 15 April 24 20:33 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, as for the address Ashtone, no, she died in St Mary's hospital.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 15 April 24 20:30 BST (UK)  »
I think that just about wraps up this thread, except for Alice Bell, I don't have a death for her or a potential marriage, or children.
I actually knew Alice, I used to visit with Elsie in the late 60s early 70s, she always seemed at home in Wheelock and I have a feeling she probably stayed there, where as Elsie at some point returned to Manchester as she married my grandfather in 1930, although I don't know when she returned, the 1921 census might offer up some clues though.
Can I take this opportunity in thanking EVERYONE who helped with this, I'm sure in the not too distant future something else will crop up where I need help  ???

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 15 April 24 17:34 BST (UK)  »
Yes, her husband Joseph Bell is named.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Monday 15 April 24 14:25 BST (UK)  »
Got the digital download, She's Mary Ann Bell, GRO reference 8d/180, died in Manchester 27th March 1909 from a Hydratidform mole leading to a collapsed uterus whilst pregnant, sad news.
Anyway..............after the birth of Alice in Sandbach in 1907, the family must have moved to Manchester, reason unknown and I don't suppose we will ever know.
Following Mary's death, Joseph must have shipped Elsie and Alice to Sarah Jane the aunt and William to his father Samuel, detailed within the 1911 census.
Supposition I know but it ties things together.

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Herefordshire / Re: Weobley to Illinois USA
« on: Sunday 14 April 24 11:41 BST (UK)  »
Pedro

You might want to contact the Weobley Historical Society for a different take on this, they helped me in tracing my family.

secretary@hotmail.com

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Sunday 14 April 24 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Ladyhawk...........................WOW!!!
That's a hell of a lot you've discovered  :o

So, firstly, I ordered digital copies of the death certificates for the 2 Mary Ann Clutton's we think it might be.
GRO closes at 4.00. on a Friday so I wont hear back from them till tomorrow at the earliest.

I knew Elsie and Alice were living with there aunt, Sarah Jane Clutton, the fact its the 1911 census raises a number of questions.................
Following the death of their mother in 1907/1909, who did they live with and where?
The 1909 Manchester death certificate for Mary Ann Clutton may answer this question, if its the correct person then the family moved from Wheelock to Manchester following the birth of Alice in 1907, if its not the right person then we can only assume that the family stayed in Wheelock following the birth of Alice, confirmed by the 1911 census.

I can place the family in Manchester with there father Joseph and his new wife Elizabeth in 1915, this then raises another question though.
My grandmother is Elsie and I can recall visiting an Alice, presumably her sister, in the early 60s in Wheelock.
I've got Alice's birth details but nothing after that, thats my next quest I think.

My understanding is that Mary Ann Cluttons biological parents were Thomas and Sarah Jane Clutton (nee Minshull).
As yet I have no evidence of there deaths other than some notes I made, Thomas died in 1894 and Sarah Jane in 1907, allegedly, it would seem from your findings that Sarah Jane remarried after Thomas's death, hence the fact I wouldn't find a death certificate for her under Clutton.

It looks like the new husband James Sheckleston is also a boatman, seems like its a very close community.
The daughter, Sarah Jane Clutton, married twice, to Jonah Barlow in 1903 and James Sheckleston (presumably James Sheckleston junior) in 1909.
The rest of your findings from 1909 onwards look pretty straight forward.

So, a lot to digest and process and I can only say thinks to yourself for the current info and everyone else who have contributed to this search................THANK YOU  ;D

As soon as I get the GRO details for the 2 Mary Ann's I'll let you know.

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Cheshire / Re: Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton
« on: Friday 12 April 24 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Ordered both digital images, watch this space.

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