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United States of America / Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« on: Wednesday 15 May 24 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone, thank you all for your interest. It has all proved much valuable help.  :)

I haven't found any evidence of a marriage between Julian and Minnie, and I've always been rather sceptical of if they did actually marry.

Thanks to one of the newspaper articles, I think by early 1888, Eleanor and Julian were still together, when Julian and George Cassidy arrived in Buffalo.

I haven't really looked into Julian's family, or the legitimacy of his claims about his wealth and nobility from his heritage, but it certainly seems like he was a wealthy and important man.

I will contact the Liverpool Record Office about Eleanor's records from the Rainhill Asylum, I've had other relatives in there, and the records they provide (at least by the 1930s) were very numerous, so hopefully there may be some more information there about her life and what happened to her relatives.  :)

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United States of America / Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« on: Wednesday 15 May 24 07:15 BST (UK)  »
I don't really have any experience tracing family in the USA, as my direct ancestors stayed in the UK after leaving Ireland, but I am interested in what happened to some of the relatives that did move to the USA. I've had difficulty tracing what happened to them after they left the UK.

Eleanor Cassidy was born in Liverpool on 9 November 1856, the daughter of George Cassidy and Mary Cassidy, nee Finn. She married Julian de Ovies, a Spanish 'count' in 1875 in Liverpool.

Eleanor, Julian, their children, and several of the Cassidy family (including Eleanor's parents) left Liverpool for the USA, and arrived in New York City on 21 March 1887, but I've struggled to trace Eleanor and her parents after this.

Julian married a woman named Minnie McDonald in 1891, but I was under the impression that his wife Eleanor died in Lancashire in 1907, with her reference in the English civil registration records being:
D QTR 1907: D'Ovis, Eleanor, age 51, registered Prescott, Lancashire, Vol. 8b, pg. 47.

I have her death certificate, it states she died at the Rainhill Asylum on 27 October 1907, it records her as a 'widow of no occupation'. This doesn't necessarily mean that this is the wrong Eleanor, I have other records of family members who are recorded as 'widow(ers)' when actually they had just split up. Her last permanent address was 181 Lime Street, Liverpool. So, the connection to Liverpool adds even more support for this death, in my eyes. She died to cancer of the Uterus. I'm not sure why she would've been in the Rainhill Asylum.

I assumed this must be her, because de Ovies, and variations thereof are not common names in the UK, and with the death being in the correct county, makes me think that this is even more likely to be her.

But when did she return to England? Did she and Julian divorce, or did she die in the USA, and the above Eleanor is just a coincidence?

Can anyone help provide any answers please?  Thanks in advance for any help.  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Asylum Reception Order 1882
« on: Thursday 09 May 24 21:35 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your help!  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Asylum Reception Order 1882
« on: Thursday 09 May 24 20:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Can anyone help me read the description of my ancestor in this reception order for Whittingham Asylum in 1882?

Here's what I have so far:

1. Facts indicating insanity observed by myself:

Has a [? ? ? ?]: thinks the workhouse asylum a friends home where she is staying for the afternoon. All mental faculties much impaired.

2. Other facts (if any) indicating insanity communicated to me by others:
Mary McCurly. Attended at workhouse [ ? ? ? ?] think one of these words may be 'sleep'.


Many thanks for any help  anyone can provide.  :)

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Lancashire / Re: Hanly/Hindley deaths 1860s
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 18:30 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 27 April 24 18:17 BST (UK)
Occupants of  3 Court, Shimmin St in 1871
William Hanley   34   Tile layer   bn West Derby, Lancashire
Ann   Hanley   36   bn   Co Westmeath, Ireland
Elizabeth   11   
Thomas   9   
John   5   
Ann   3   
Mary   10 months
Children all bn West Derby, Lancashire

Thank you Rosie for your find!  :) I would imagine these are relatives in some way, but I'd have trouble pinpointing how they are related. William's age would suggest a dob around 1836, so probably too young to be a brother of Timothy, but too old to be a son of his, so maybe a nephew or cousin or other relative.

The only sibling of Timothy's I have yet found is in the 1851 census, not far from where Timothy is living at the time, there is this family. I assume Thomas was his brother. This doesn't connect William, but certainly confirms the family were in touch with each other, even if they varied their spelling!

Thomas Hanley, head married 34 labourer, b. Ireland, Roscommon
Bridget do, wife, married, 29, b. Ireland, Kilday
Thomas do, son, 11, b. Manchester
Timothy do, son, 4, b. Manchester
Mary do, daughter, 5 months, b. Lancashire, Sutton.

 :)

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Lancashire / Re: Hanly/Hindley deaths 1860s
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 17:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 27 April 24 12:00 BST (UK)
Do you have Timothy's death certificate as that may mention whether he was widowed at that time.

Yes, unfortunately there is no mention of family. The informant is a resident in his street who was present at the time of death. The age and occupation are correct, though, and Timothy isn't a common name. The burial record states it was a Catholic burial as well, so I'm sure this is him.

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Lancashire / Re: Hanly/Hindley deaths 1860s
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 04:14 BST (UK)  »
I downloaded the digital image for Mary Hindley died 1869, who was the wife of James Hindley, who was also the informant, so not the right Mary. The death for Ann was also not correct.

I can't pinpoint any alternatives. Does anyone have any other ideas?  ???

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Lancashire / Re: Martin McHugh, criminal
« on: Friday 26 April 24 03:21 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Heywood! Looks like Martin and Margaret were the parents of Felix WH and Martin as well.

The Felix living with Martin’s mother then, I’m not sure who that is. He’s listed as a son, age 2 (I.e. born 1878/79) but Martin’s mother Catherine is listed as 61. Not found a  birth registration for him though, but at least we can differentiate him from Felix WH :)

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Lancashire / Re: Martin McHugh, criminal
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 01:18 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 24 April 24 19:13 BST (UK)
Maybe Martin and Margaret were together several years before their marriage.
There is an 1879 baptism for George McHugh son of Martin and Margaret Craigh

The 1881 census for Martin's mother lists a grandchild, recorded as Felix McKoan, aged 2. Martin's brother was also Felix.

I initially assumed that this was Felix's child, but maybe not. Haven't found a baptism record, but GRO index gives

1878 D Qtr: MCHUGH, FELIX WILLIAM HENRY West Derby and Toxteth Park mmn CRAY

I found a potential baptism for their son Joseph, as in the 1881 census:
born 14 December 1873 (should be 1872 I think) baptised 8 April 1873 Joseph McKew, son of Patrick McKew and Margaret Cray.

Patrick was a brother of Martin, is it possible this is just a mistake, or that Margaret had children with his other brother, in that case, could Felix really be the son of Felix after all?  ??? I don't think that's very likely though, but may explain the absence of a marriage record until 1893.

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