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I've had a good look through all this information and it looks as though the marriage cert is correct after all and one of the witnesses would have been Elizabeth's sister. Thank you again and thanks too for the photos. I never thought I'd see those! We're in South Wales but I think a trip north will be undertaken soon!

I now have a marriage cert for Edward Edwards and ELizabeth Roberts but I'm not too sure about it. They were married on 7 May 1842 in a chapel in Llanfyllin. She's 27 and he's 29. His father is Daniel Edwards and hers is Cadwaladr Roberts. The witnesses were Daniel Edwards and Gwen Roberts. If I had the correct people, they had two children before 1842 so this marriage is unlikely to be theirs. There's always the possibility that my research is wrong, though. I can't find a Cadwaladr Roberts that fits.  There is another marriage between Edward Edwards and an Elizabeth Roberts that is muddying the waters but this one is Edward Pryce Edwards. A bit more digging needed here!

Thank you so much for your replies.  I'm going to look through them now. Sorry, I meant his wife was with him up to 1891. He was with his daughter after that, also called Alice.

I think you've cracked it, you wonderful lot! Gelligaer is the area where John's wife died, it's right next door to Tirphil. I found Wyndham living in Ynysybwl which is where John lived with his daughter after his wife died - and where I lived too! Poor Wyndham was killed at Ypres when he'd been married for just a year. Alice, John's wife, died of peritonitis after childbirth in July 1891 but we don't know if the child lived. John already had a year-old child and went to live with family in Ynysybwl.  He may not have been able to cope on his own with the child and a newborn baby. I now know that John had family very near to him in Gelligaer so it's possible the child was given to someone there to bring up. My grandmother never knew about a sibling, she always said she was an only child.

Thank you so much, you've solved a puzzle that's been part of my life for quite a few years!

I recently researched a family tree for a friend and found his great-grandfather was called Hardicanute Evans. He had a daughter called Hazellopone.

I've been trying to find something - anything! - about Trabina Smith. The only record I can find of her is on the 1911 census where she is described as mother to the head of the house and a widow. The head is Job Smith, born about 1886 in Tenbury.  Trabina was born in 1864 but her birthplace is not known. They were part of a big Romany family around Tenbury and the Forest Of Dean and were living on Dean's Common in 1911. Job's children at the time were Enos, 1906, Esther, 1908 and Caroline, 1910. His siblings at that time were Jeremiah, 1872, Timothy, 1875, Brookie, 1876 and Thomas, 1879 which means something is very wrong somewhere when you look at Trabina's age! The census also lists assorted cousins and uncles. It took a bit of deciphering. I had Job's possible parents as Enos or Nathaniel Smith and Eliza Loveridge but I'm not sure about this now. I need to find Trabina's husband to stop me going round in circles so I'd be glad of any ideas, please.


Lesleyann