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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Saturday 20 January 24 14:40 GMT (UK) »
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Saturday 20 January 24 13:04 GMT (UK) »I have just reread my previous post and realised that I should have written that there is a marriage in Aberdeen Old Machar in 1886 between Charles Dalgety Stephen and Maggie Cooper Polson. I do think that it would be worth looking at this marriage cert.
William
Im trying to find this online on Ancestry, FindMyPast and Scottish people and cant, can you point me to where you found this so I can look at ordering the marr cert? thanks
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 21:35 GMT (UK) »
1881 census hes born aberdeen.
Yes the prison record says dundee, which is a ?? but hes named as clarence too so think hes taken on a new identity.
my charles dalgetty stephens is born in aberdeen (followed victor to establish that connection as hes victor dalgetty stephen) but clarence dalgetty as u say states dundee on prison records but im sceptical as couldnt find any other "dalgetty stephens" other than charles
Yes the prison record says dundee, which is a ?? but hes named as clarence too so think hes taken on a new identity.
my charles dalgetty stephens is born in aberdeen (followed victor to establish that connection as hes victor dalgetty stephen) but clarence dalgetty as u say states dundee on prison records but im sceptical as couldnt find any other "dalgetty stephens" other than charles
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 20:23 GMT (UK) »
I followed charles dalgetty (clarence?) stephen siblings and found James V & John SV in london 1901, same as my clarence stephens 2miles apart, another similarity.
My charles is with maggie(wife) and son victor in 1891 but cant find any 1891 census for parents charles & Elizabeth or sibling in 1891. Elizabeth died in 1885 so wondering where they all went, staying in scotland or london.
My clarence dalgetty stephen is in prison 1894 then appears in london 1903 while fanny (florence) stephens is in manchester.
Also wonder why dalgetty? the other siblings have valentine as the middle name (mum is elizabeth valentine)
My charles is with maggie(wife) and son victor in 1891 but cant find any 1891 census for parents charles & Elizabeth or sibling in 1891. Elizabeth died in 1885 so wondering where they all went, staying in scotland or london.
My clarence dalgetty stephen is in prison 1894 then appears in london 1903 while fanny (florence) stephens is in manchester.
Also wonder why dalgetty? the other siblings have valentine as the middle name (mum is elizabeth valentine)
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 15:48 GMT (UK) »
sorry william for misreading, thats definitely clarified that. Strange how shes taken her maiden name back (which i doubt a wife would do if husband died) but on the 1901 census i can only see a transcript (no image attached) theres a margaret stephen and a margaret polson recorded as 2 people.
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Yes i was looking at that at it adds up as found a maggie & charles on the 1891 with a son (victor) who i followed and is victor dalgetty stephen on his war records (and a boarder in 1901 aged 11) seems to be a death of a Maggie C Stephen (thought C for cooper maybe) in 1898 which would account for victor being on his own as a boarder in 1901 but i see theres a margaret polson on a 1901 census in aberdeen as a servant on her own so not sure which is correct one.
If Charles is clarence then hes in prison in 1894 then off with fanny thereafter, leaving victor with maggie. I looked for any records of maggie on the electoral registers on her own but nothing either its as if he vanished in 1891 and clarence "appears" in 1894.
If Charles is clarence then hes in prison in 1894 then off with fanny thereafter, leaving victor with maggie. I looked for any records of maggie on the electoral registers on her own but nothing either its as if he vanished in 1891 and clarence "appears" in 1894.
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 14:15 GMT (UK) »
on my fathers school records in 1918 next of kin is "harry" so maybe he got a new name avoiding the law 😄🤔
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 14:11 GMT (UK) »
thats my quandry, either she lied about being widowed or lied about him being the father. 
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Aberdeenshire / Re: Im at a crossroads perhaps dead end and need help
« on: Friday 19 January 24 13:14 GMT (UK) »
hi - Yes on the link right at the top of my the opening post these were mentioned as the fasting act and in Lambeth in 1901 - They must be the same people as theres another article about Lady melodee being daughter of an army officer in India (she was born in india to an army officer) Did a little research on the "succi" act and apparently there was a few of them in US and UK all doing the same thing - Yes quite weird but it was interesting. He was also in trouble in 1903 and jailed a month so these 2 are a right pair
I have the 1909 death as a possibility but my main issue is that my grandad was down in 1912 (with Clarence as his father) and his sister in 1916 so either they were to a different man and she just kept putting Clarence down as the father or its not him. She is recorded as a widow in 1911 census so something isnt right and maybe Ill never know.
I do have him traced now as definitely Clarence Dalgetty Stephen back to 1893 and a Charles Dalgettly before 1891 Cant find them together (or charles after 1891) which is why Im thinking they are the same person as hes changed his name. Dalgetty Stephen is so unsual for them both to be born in scotland and in Aberdeen area around 1891-94 and not be related (or same person)
I have the 1909 death as a possibility but my main issue is that my grandad was down in 1912 (with Clarence as his father) and his sister in 1916 so either they were to a different man and she just kept putting Clarence down as the father or its not him. She is recorded as a widow in 1911 census so something isnt right and maybe Ill never know.
I do have him traced now as definitely Clarence Dalgetty Stephen back to 1893 and a Charles Dalgettly before 1891 Cant find them together (or charles after 1891) which is why Im thinking they are the same person as hes changed his name. Dalgetty Stephen is so unsual for them both to be born in scotland and in Aberdeen area around 1891-94 and not be related (or same person)