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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Carpenter b Hereford c1811
« on: Sunday 14 July 13 12:37 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply Jean,
I can't really tell you any more about Wm Carpenter than I wrote before. I was going to attach a page from Pigot's 1830 that I found where three Carpenter (Wm senior and his sons Thomas and Robert Hobard, I imagine) but it looks like I can't post stuff like that here that here. If you give me an email address I send you everything I have (not that much really) on this family.
Regards,
Chris Pain

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Anyone going to Berks RO - Pain in Winkfield
« on: Monday 15 December 08 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
For a fiver or so the BRO will do the look up for you - save the fare to London as well as the fare to Reading.

However, Maidenhead Library will quite possibly do it for nowt - have you tried them yet?

I'll certainly bear these other two possibilities in mind before deciding how to spend my hard earned euros.

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Anyone going to Berks RO - Pain in Winkfield
« on: Sunday 14 December 08 23:06 GMT (UK)  »
You're right, Bob. £18 a day is a bit steep. If I intended going more than once in a year it would be cheaper to join the Society, as I see it's £27 a year for new members resident outside the UK.

Anyway, thanks for the information. It's given me something to chew over. Certainly quicker and easier than a journey to Reading and I'd have to pay my train fare to get there.

Chris

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Anyone going to Berks RO - Pain in Winkfield
« on: Sunday 14 December 08 18:38 GMT (UK)  »
Which ones, Bob? The Parish Registers or the Bishop's Transcripts? As I said I'm in Sardinia but I go to London 2 or 3 times a year seeing as that's where I come from, but I only manage to stay for a couple of days at a time usually at weekends, which has so far put paid to any idea of a trip to Reading. The SoG sounds a bit more promising, What do they require in exchange for access?

Thanks for the information, David. I think the original record does exist and it's in the Berkshire Records Office. It's just that the LDS appear only to have a few years of them.

Oxfordshire! That's even further than Berkshire, but thanks anyway for the information, Newburychap. I'm interested in a period before 1836 though, initially 1770-1807, and then, if I found out my Pains actually did come from Winkfield, from 1770 backwards.

Regards,

Chris

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Anyone going to Berks RO - Pain in Winkfield
« on: Saturday 13 December 08 20:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the tips newburychap. Only the Family History Catalogue page linked to says the transcripts of Winkfield refer to the period 1577-1670. I noticed something else though. They also have something called "Bishop's transcripts for Winkfield, 1607-1836". Do you think these would contain the same information as the parish records?

Chris

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Anyone going to Berks RO - Pain in Winkfield
« on: Saturday 13 December 08 15:07 GMT (UK)  »
Okay Bob, thanks anyway.
I haven't made much progress regarding Joseph Pain since I first posted, though I'm more convinced than ever he was from Winkfield.
Regards,
Chris

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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Carpenter b Hereford c1811
« on: Saturday 26 April 08 15:59 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, reread my post after sending it.

Second paragraph, line 3, should read "William is NOT on th list".

Worldsender

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Herefordshire Lookup Requests / William Carpenter b Hereford c1811
« on: Saturday 26 April 08 15:56 BST (UK)  »
My gt gt grandfather Willian Carpenter, who married, worked as an exciseman and died in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales, was born in Hereford in 1810 0r 1811, if the age given on the 1851 census is reliable. On his marriage certificate he states that his father was "William Carpenter, Schoolmaster".

On the 1841 and 1851 censuses there is a William Carpenter (1772-1858) who was a schoolmaster at the Blue Coat School, as were his sons Thomas and Robert Hobart. The IGI list 8 christenings between 1797 and 1809 for William Carpenter and his wife Mary, the first two at St John Baptist and the rest at All Saints, but my William is on the list. Neither is Emma who is living with William and Mary in 1841, aged 25 according to the census meaning she was born between 1811 and 1816, presumably another daughter.

There is a christening on the IGI for a William Carpenter in Hereford, 29 November 1812, but the parents are John and Susannah Carpenter

Is there anyone out there who has any further information about my William Carpenter's birth or any other information regarding the Carpenter family and their work at the Blue Coat School? Or could anyone willing to do look-ups in Hereford put me on their list?

One more thing worthy of note is that another son of William Carpenter Snr, James, named one of his daughters Olivia Tyrconnell Carpenter, which is interesting when you realise that the title of Earl of Tyrconnell was held between 1723 and 1812 by three successive George Carpenters. This could indicate a remote link between the humble schoolmasters of Blue Coat School and the Carpenters, Earls of Tyconnell, or, as is more likely, is a case of wishful thinking by James Carpenter, who, in 1841, gave  his occupation as "Writer", only to end up in 1881 as the more respectable-sounding "Clerk to Commissioner of Taxes".

Is there anyone who can elucidate?

Worldsender

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Dawn, have or and your mum read "World's End: A Memoir of a Blitz Childhood" by Donald James Wheal. Maybe it's a bit before your mum's time if she was married in 1961. Donald Wheal was born in Chelsea in the early 30s and lived at the World's End in the Guinness Trust buildings until the 1944 bombing which killed 86 people. The book also contains quite a lot of information about Chelsea in the 1800s through the eyes of his grandmother brought up at the World's End at a time when the major attraction was Cremorne Gardens.
I recommend it.
Regards,
Chris

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