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Shropshire / Re: Shifnal Manor - Any Associated Records?
« on: Monday 15 June 20 09:49 BST (UK)  »
Idsall was indeed an alternative name for Shifnal, and it can still be found in road names, Idsall Crescent being an example. The name applied particularly to the area around the church and the manor, and is the oldest part of Shifnal.
I remember the whole class going on 'nature walks' to the manor with teacher when I was at primary school. There was a pool in the manor grounds but I believe it was drained some years ago.

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 15:17 BST (UK)  »
Ah, right. Thanks.
Just out of interest I googled 'SS Ceramic' and found that it was a White Star liner that sailed between LIVERPOOL  and Australia. So they didn't sail from London as per the records and explains why they were in Liverpool in the first place.
I don't think Denis Papchuck ever visited his mother. He states that he only left Australia once, to fight in WWI.

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 11:22 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, sparrett, for your observations, all of which are true. I just want to ask about the birth record for Patrick Daniel. Does the registration district 'Marine' indicate a birth at sea? I guess also the registration number 1 would indicate the first birth registration in that district on arrival in April 1920. As Edith and Denis gave the same address on their marriage certificate it's not surprising that a baby was born soon after. A newspaper report of 28 January 1948 gives Patrick's age as 28, so that figures, although I appreciate that newspapers don't always get it right!
My guess is that Edith and Denis met in London round about the time of his discharge from the AIF in the summer of 1918. Maybe they went to Liverpool with the idea of sailing to the USA, as this would be the logical port to sail from. They lived there for a little while, as Denis worked in a sugar factory. For whatever reason they returned to London and went to Australia instead, as Denis was entitled to do as an ex-ANZAC.
I would have thought that the baby would have been listed on the disembarkation records at Fremantle.
By the time of his naturalisation in 1952 Denis Papchuck was still illiterate, in English at any rate.

EDIT: Denis was of course discharged in 1919, not 1918.

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Saturday 06 April 19 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Mollipops1. I hadn't found the WWII record for Thomas Vincent.

And thanks cupoflife for the info about Edith working in the munitions factory. It all helps to build a picture of the family.

 ;D

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Thursday 04 April 19 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for all that information, cupoflife. That has given me a lot to go on. It's interesting that the children maintained contact with their mother, even though she was the 'guilty party' in their parents' divorce. I'm still wondering whether they were adopted or whether they just chose to change their surname to Roberts. I guess my next step is to get an An****ry account to try to find the births of any grandchildren, unless anyone can suggest another option. I have tried the 'Ask a Librarian' service for possible information about State care and adoption but so far (nearly 3 weeks) haven't received a reply. I'm sure they have plenty more pressing things to do so I don't have high hopes for that. On we go. Best regards.

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Tuesday 02 April 19 10:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to all who responded to my original post. From the marriage certificate I was able to confirm that Edith Fletcher did marry Denis (he later called himself Daniel) Papchuck in the UK and they arrived in Fremantle in 1920. I now want to track down their children: Patrick Daniel, b. 1920 in Marine, Fremantle; Thomas Vincent, b. 1921, Geraldton; and James A., b. 1923, Sussex., and any marriages and grandchildren.
The couple divorced in 1928 and in a newspaper article Mr Papchuck is quoted as saying that he had placed the children in the care of the State.
I have found the death of Patrick Daniel in Perth in 1970 but by that stage his surname is ROBERTS, which leads me to believe that one or more of the children may have been adopted. I have also found a death for a Thomas Vincent Roberts in 1984 although the age at death is a year or two out.
Mr Papchuck remarried and had several more children. His second wife died young and he then appears to have placed at least one of these children, Raymond Papchuck, in Parkerville Children's Home. Maybe Patrick, Thomas and James were placed there too.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Australia / Re: Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Friday 08 March 19 14:31 GMT (UK)  »
Wow, thank you all for your responses. I didn't really expect to hear anything.  I had previously found possible marriages for Edith A. FLETCHER including to Denis PAPCHUCK, although it was only one of many possibilities, but I hadn't found them on passenger lists (I was probably searching for later dates, as Edith would have been only 18 years old in 1919). If this is her marriage, and as you say, JJen, I will have to order a marriage certificate to confirm this, it opens up a whole can of worms. While I was out at the gym my other half found lots of information about Denis PAPCHUCK, and what an interesting character he was, including all of his First World War service records (ANZAC on the Western Front, gassed and probably recuperated in the UK) and divorce record (thanks also JJen and cupoflife). Edith appears to have committed adultery with a William Jamieson but doesn't seem to have married him. As well as a possible PEIRL marriage in 1933 I have found a possible marriage to a Rollo M. INVERARITY in Northam in 1928.
Thank you cupoflife for providing the names of the PAPCHUCK children, although I think all of them are from a subsequent marriage. There are also three more PAPCHUCK children registered at this time: Patrick in 1920 in Fremantle, Thomas in 1921 in Geraldton, and James in 1923 in Sussex (the divorce article says that the couple lived in Geraldton until 1924 and had three children).
There's lots going on here and I will have to read and digest it all.

Thank you all again!

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Australia / Edith Agnes FLETCHER
« on: Friday 08 March 19 09:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all. This is a complete shot in the dark but here goes.
My great aunt Edith Agnes FLETCHER was born in 1901 in Newport, Shropshire, England. Family lore has it that she emigrated to Australia, probably some time in the 1920s. There's a suggestion that she may have married before she left England so may have travelled under a different surname. I believe that members of her family in Australia may have made enquiries in Shropshire some years ago but the people they spoke to couldn't help them.
Any information gratefully received, thank you.

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Shropshire Completed Look up Requests / Re: Life and death in Salop Mental Hospital
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 09:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi James. I'm afraid I never did get round to visiting the archives so I have no information for you. Good luck with your project. If you find a reference to a Kate Bradburn, do let me know! Regards, Brian.

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