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Hello - Just wanted to let you know that I finally found Herbert - in Barling, Essex.  It appears that he ended his life as the proprietor of Ye Old Shoulderstick Off-Licence, and is buried in the churchyard at All Saints Church.  Barling Magna.

Now if only I knew  how he happened to end up on Essex - no one in the family seems to have ever lived there... he's still a mystery.

There is a 1936 film on the Yorkshire Film Archives......
http://www.yfaonline.com/assetDetails.cfm?film=3191&keyword=

Oh my! I can't believe it!  In the middle of this film, there is a segment showing "current residents", including the boys' band.  My dad was in the band and would have been about 9 or 10 at the time.  It's only a couple of seconds long, but there is a child who looks just like my sister did at that age, so it could be him!  As I mentioned on another thread, we have no pictures of him between the ages of 3 and 18 so this is really exciting.  I'll have to get him to see if he can spot himself.  At any rate, he'll probably know the other kids.

This site is so wonderful!  Thank you!

Thanks Snowshoe and Treetotal -

I've found this thread really interesting.  My parents emigrated to Canada in the late 50s, but we all went back for a visit in 1976 when I was a kid, and I've visited Newland once since. I was lucky enough to get my dad's Newland Records on that trip when they were still stored at the Newland Homes office.  Buckston Brown house was still a residence at that time so I wasn't able to go inside, but we were able to tour the grounds.  It was very odd to be there, as my father spent his entire childhood there, and it made his stories come to life.  He didn't have a great life there, but did get a good education, and loved being in the band.  I'm  just hoping that somewhere out there, someone has a picture of the band from those years, so I can see my dad as a kid.  I'll have to try the Hull History Centre if I am ever back there, or email them to see if there's anything there.

I'm also glad to hear that Dad's childhood home is being preserved!

I've been looking for information about the death of my great-grandfather Herbert William Chant (b. Hull 1876) for a long time, and have finally got the right death certificate.  To my surprise, he died in 1939 at the Shoulderstick Off Licence in Barling, where he was the proprietor.  Until now, I had been under the impression that he had lived, worked and died in Devon (in Plymouth on the 1911 and in business records in the early 20s).  His parents, first wife, widow and some of his children are all buried in either Plymouth or Paignton. He was apparently buried at All Saints in Barling. I have no idea what he was doing there - to the best of my knowledge there is no family whatsoever in the area.  He also started life in the shipping industry - the family business, and I don't know how he ended up at an off licence.

Does anyone know anything about the Shoulderstick?  The building seems to still be there, but so far I can't find any information about it. I would love to find out how long he lived there, and who was living with him.  His youngest son was present at his death, and appears on the death certificate - I don't know if he lived there too.

Any help is welcome.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  We have a photo somewhere of Cyril Oates' grave from when he was first buried, with a white wooden cross, but I don't think anyone in our family has ever seen the actual grave site or stone.  I can't tell you how much your efforts are appreciated, or how fascinating I have found this whole thread.