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Apologies Justin

Both George married in 1760 and his son were butchers

Teach me to watch the TV and type at the same time.

I still believe that Organ builders are more likely to have middle class children and hence organists.

Hi Justin
That is brilliant information to know 😊
You know more about my family than I do
I do know George Butcher was a butcher and his son was an organist in Tiverton in 1839.
I know that as I have a copy of his will which gives his profession.  I also know his son was an organist when Thalberg visited Tiverton in 1839
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/music/CHOMBEC/chombec-news-8.pdf
I also know Richard had a son William who moved to Clerkenwell to work for a bank.

I do appreciate your posting the marriage band showing George England to be a butcher.  That is clearly my ancestor who married Anne Bear.
The dates of the children born from 1768 to 1777 and especially Susan who died in 1764 make me think that unless there was a particularly complex relationship going on he is unlikely to be the organ maker.
Strange relationships do sometimes crop up I am watching the Archbishop Justin Wellby marry Harry and Megan
I bumped into him when he was a lowly bishop on the way to a prayer meeting,  I am aware he is illegitimate.
So odd things do happen.
I now think it unlikely with the evidence you kindly posted.
I know DNA often sheds light on things,  I have a DNA link to a cousin who has an ancestor called Westaway almost certainly one of Mary Westaways ancestors.
Anyways when George butcher married I am assuming he is the son of George England born 4th March 1738 in Exeter.
On a more general point about the organist George England I know the wiki entry is clearly wrong.
I doubt he related to me but at what age does an organ maker make his first organ?
The organist was building the organ at St Stephen Walbrook in 1760 
Is there any way of knowing the normal age when an organ maker makes his first organ.
I may try to find which of the George Englands born is most likely to be the organist.
For curiosity now.

Thanks

Peter

Justin
Like you I distrust the Ancestry trees , not through my own experience but comments made on other heritage sites

These trees ancestry trees agree that a George England married a Ms Bear in 1760 at Saint Mary Major.

They say they had at least 5 children ( They say 6)
Solomon, Samuel then three more the dates as below and finally Giles.

Three of the birth dates are

Dianne England born 9th December 1765
George England 22 June 1766 the Butcher
James England born 1st Jan 1767

So they agree with George England Marrying a woman maiden name Beer

I have copies of the birth certificates of Dianne born 9th December 1765 and James England born 1st January 1767.   It is very hard to make out the name of the mother  It could be Dianne or Anne

So I can prove that George England born 27th June 1766 was not the natural son of Anne Bear.   
Peter

Hi Justin

All I know about George England the butcher my ancestor was he was baptised on the 22nd July 1766

In Exeter and one of his sons was an organist born 8th February 1794

He had another son born 6th October 1803 who I believe was a piano tuner in the 1841 census
No organ makers but musical.

Anyways nobody knew when George England was born , I thought.

How do you know it is 1718 .

That would quickly lead to finding a lot more about his birth place etc than is currently known as George England is such a rare name

Peter