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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Saturday 20 May 17 10:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again for your input, Forfarian. Yes, of course, the best way to analyze this is to do it the logical, scientific way.

So I thought I'd refresh my knowledge of Scottish naming patterns. The page at http://myweb.wyoming.com/~msaban/SCTname.htm
titled, "TRADITIONAL NAMING PATTERNS IN SCOTLAND" is great. It explains how many people named a child after the (church) minister's wife.

So all this speculation about an ancestor named Helen Watson or Ann Wright is almost certainly barking up the wrong tree.

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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Friday 19 May 17 16:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi Forfarian,

I will answer your questions but I hope you can also tell me why you are so interested in this topic. It can't be a co-incidence that you are related to a family named Aitkenhead, even if they were in Lancashire. Is that family descended from a Scottish Aitkenhead?

> I take it that you have checked Cramond Kirk Session minutes ...
I checked as much as I could a few years ago. I even paid a researcher in Scotland to do some digging for me but she came up blank, Interestingly, she never found that Margaret Primrose's mother was Janet Rankin.

> What was the name of Daniel's mother?
I don’t know. Daniel was born in Caithness in about 1781.

>It could be that she was named after Isabell's sister, of course.
Yes, that’s possible.

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I did a check of familysearch.org and it looks like two-word girls’ names, such as “Mary Ann” DO come up in searches before 1800. However, no cases of “Helen Watson” are found before 1800. But between 1800 and 1900, dozens of examples of “Helen Watson” in Scotland are found. And the very first example is my relative, Helen Watson McGregor, born 1803, daughter of Daniel McGregor and Margaret Primrose!

So far, I haven’t studied all the cases to see if there any common denominators. It doesn’t look like all the family who used this name all belonged to the same religious groups but I might be wrong on that. To me, it looks like a case of some famous woman, perhaps within a certain religious group, being honoured, someone who was probably born in the second half of the 18th century.

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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Friday 19 May 17 06:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rosinich.

Here are the children of Daniel McGregor & Margaret Primrose -

Janet Robertson McGregor, bap 1800 Cramond
Helen Watson McGregor bap 1803 Cramond
Isabell McGregor bap 1806 Cramond
Ann Wright McGregor bap 1808 Cramond (my ancestor)
Elizabeth McGregor bap 1810 Cramond
Alexander McGregor bap 1814 Cramond
Margaret McGregor bap 1819 Cramond

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Here are the children of Isabell McGregor and James Aitkenhead -

Thomas Aitkenhead born 25 Dec 1826, bap 14 Jan 1827, Cramond
Margaret Aitkenhead, bap 31 Jan 1830, Cramond
Daniel Aitkenhead, bap 27 May 1832, Cramond
Elizabeth Aitkenhead, bap 15 Mar 1835, Ratho, Midlothian
Isabella Aitkenhead, bap 21 Jan 1838, Duddingston, Midlothian
Charles Aitkenhead, bap 13 Sep 1840, Duddingston, Midlothian
Helen Watson Aitkenhead, bap 10 Feb 1843, Duddingston, Midlothian
Harriet Aitkenhead, bap 24 May 1846, Duddingston, Midlothian

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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Friday 19 May 17 04:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Here's a quick outline of my ancestors connected to this.

Margaret Primrose was born in Linlithgow, Cramond, Midlothian in about 1782. Her mother's name was apparently Janet Rankin, as shown on Margaret's death certificate. But the identity of "Mr Primrose" is unknown. This becomes something of a scenario out of a Victorain novel because the Linlithgow area was "Primrose territory", i.e. several estates owned by the Earls of Rosebury, i.e., the Primrose family. But no connection has been found between my Margaret Primrose and the Earl's family! She & her husband, Daniel McGregor seem to have been humble 'servants' or similar, according to the census returns. They married in 1800 in Dalmeny, West Lothian.

Their second child was named, "Helen Watson McGregor", b. 1803, Cramond, Midlothian.

Their third child was Isabell McGregor, b. 1806, Cramond. She married James Aitkenhead, probably in about 1825, and probably in either Cramond or Edinburgh city.

The seventh child of Isabell McGregor & James Aitkenhead was Helen Watson Aitkenhead, b. 1843, Duddingston, Midlothian.

I want to know why these two girls, in different generations, were using "Helen Watson" to name their daughters.


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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 15:42 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I had some contact with him. A Robert MCGregor, right? He's the one who told me about Janet Rankin being the mother of Margaret Primrose

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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 11:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello again, Forfarian. I notice you are researching the name, "AITKENHEAD" in Lancashire. I am connected to the family by that name around Edinburgh. That family used the name, "Helen Watson", at least once, maybe more. My MCGREGOR line intersects with this AITKENHEAD LINE at the marriage of Isabella MCGREGOR & James AITKENHEAD. They probably married about 1825, they lived around Cramond, Midlothian and they had about 8 children until 1846.

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Scotland / Re: The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 10:40 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply, Forfafarian. Yes, I have thought of that possibility myself. I'll have to do some more researching, especially using familysearch.org to see if there was a change in the methodology of name recording.

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Scotland / The girls' given name, "Helen Watson"
« on: Wednesday 17 May 17 19:38 BST (UK)  »
I noticed that the girls' given names, "Helen Watson" were used several times after 1800 in Scotland but rarely, if ever, before that time. Was there a famous woman in Scotland who people were naming their daughter after?

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Whittet
« on: Tuesday 24 December 13 01:53 GMT (UK)  »
Maybe someone reading this page has information about the Elizabeth Wittit, below. If you can add to this information, please post it here or send a message to me.

Elizabeth Wittit, married a James Pye in 1753 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland. They had a son named George Pye, born around 1757. James Pye was probably a brother of Thomas Pye who married Agnes Wittit in Dysart in 1750, and Agnes Wittit was a sister of Elizabeth Wittet. So it looks like two brothers marrying two sisters.

Agnes & Elizabeth were daughters of William Wittit, a weaver, who died in Dysart in 1772. His wife, Mary (or Helen) Wilson died in 1766 in Dysart. I don't know where William & his wife were born or where they married. He might be descended from the Whittits of Perth.


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