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Hi to both Carolw and Osprey, 

Thanks to both of you for your responses.  On closer inspection I too can now see the difference between the R and the K.  Finding the correct Joseph Redworth that is acceptable to known facts has been more than difficult.  Joseph is of unproven Parentage.  He does not show in any record until the Census of 1891 where he is recorded with recognisable family.  (This was recorded incorrectly also.)

Joseph Redworth c.1854  has no birth record but gives his place of birth on the 1891 census as Hampstead Midsx.   He took Kate Boswell as his partner without the benefit of a recorded marriage.  He lived with Romanies as a Romani and had a family, where on 22 Dec 1910, he had a Civil marriage to his partner Kate Boswell at the Registry Office Woolwich London.   His residence at the time is given as "Caravan" Manorway, Plumstead Marsh.  He gives his father's name as JOHN REDWORTH, Deceased.  Their Witness's were my grand parents, their son and his wife, William and Elizabeth Redworth.  (Both signed their names)

I have seen every census record for John Redworth's from 1841 thru to 2011.  with no connecting results either by age or locality.   Others have taken the record of James Redworth c.1854 from the 1861 census as the father because the birth years match.  Although James is shown to be a Widower with two childred, Phoebe and Joseph (Showing his same birth year) there is no further Census record containing them.   Therefore, no evidence to support this record as the same Joseph.  (or was Joseph sent to live with relatives, perhaps in wales?)

As stated in my origional post, my mother new the old chap until he passed away in 1936 age 82years.  Among many things that she told me was that he was known as "Old Joe the Welshman"  because of his strong welsh accent.  Although his origins were from Middlesex, he apparently had lived many years in Wales, hence my current searches thru Welsh records.

One more point of interest.  On my grandfather's Marriage Certificate,  my grandfather's name is spelt William "Redworth"  while his father's name is spelt Joseph "Ridworth".          Census searches on the Ridworth name does show in the 1871 census a John Ridworth with a son Joseph bn c. 1851. (not 1854)  and the previous census of 1861  seems to be showing the same family but spelt "Redworth" BUT Joseph seems have become Joshua.

My conclusion is that Joshua Redworth in 1861 age 11 then again shown as Joseph Ridworth 1871 age 20 may well be one and the same, but would still require a big leap of faith to say it is my Great Grandfather, any more than James's son Joseph is.

I write all this so as to stop others going over the same ground again. 

Thank you both,

Redworth

Hi Pampoen,

Sorry for my mistake.  The heading should have read Mathew Redworth.  Tommy was Mathew's younger brother.  I take your point regarding passenger lists to SA, I had no joy either.  In fact I have tried looking through all the African states without any luck.  I have been assured by a cousin who had more knowledge than myself about Mat's background, that he in fact did leave the UK for South Africa.  As no specific information is available to me regarding how and when he left, it was after his divorce from his wife mid to late 1940's and we lost contact from him.

Calling all Boswell, Dighton, Redworth, Scamp, Lee, Buckley, Burt, Gardiner, Heron, Loverage, or any  family connections.

This is a young project and I am seeking any Romani connections to my mother's Family Tree.  My line is through Joe Redworth c. 1854 and his wife Kate Boswell c. 1852 through to Shadrach Boswell c. 1750.

Any help or information, regarding anything to do with this tree will be gratefully appreciated. If you would like to contribute by adding your line, however connected, I will be most pleased to add it for you. Alternatively, by giving you access to build your own Branch or Tree.

Tell us what you know at http //www romani-ancestors com website not working Nov 2013 look forward to hearing from you,
rm/redworth

To PruM, Hackstaple, GR2, Annie and Redroger.

Thank you all so much for your help and advice. 

I had managed with great difficulty to read about half the first page but had no idea what some of the words were.  However, I was trying to read from the very poor quality photocopy of the origional document which I downloaded from the GRO. 

In future I must be able to convert these pdf files into a more readable form such as PruM has very kindly done for me, which makes for much clearer reading.

Ray