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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Kruk
« on: Wednesday 11 December 19 15:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for this very interesting information. This seems to bring a Jewish element into the family research.

My family came from Bircza, in southern Poland. Around 1900, I'm told, that about half the village was Polish Jews with one quarter Polish Catholics and one quarter Ukrainian Orthodox. Several family members emigrated to the States around 1910 but these American immigrants were reluctant to keep in touch with their Polish family. There appeared to be some dreadful scandal which alienated the two sides.

One suggestion for this situation was that a mixed marriage had occurred between a Jew and a Catholic. At that time, in a small village, I presume this would have amounted to a dreadful scandal.
Could Stella/Stefania Szalajko have been of the Jewish faith, or a convert to Catholicism, despite being buried in the Roman Catholic Cemetery at North Arlington?


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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Kruk
« on: Saturday 07 December 19 10:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that. Access was blocked because I am living in France. Using a VPN I managed to view the site and download the information. This thing of burying a limb, does seem odd, perhaps it's a Polish thing. Visiting cemeteries in Poland I noticed, on family graves, if say, the husband dies, they bury him, erect a stone with his details on, and then put his wife's details on the stone with a gap left for the date she dies. Seems a bit morbid to me. You visit the grave, and each time you are reminded of your mortality.

it is odd to see that the name on the grave record for Alexander is KRUCK and KRUK for John and Stella. The New Jersey marriage index 1912 has Stella Szelajko married to John KRUCK. the US Find a Grave Index 1936 has the burial of John KRUK, Stella is on the New Jersey Death Index as Stefania KRUK. Up to 1939 all the census and Directories use KRUK, the 1940 census uses KRACK. The joys of research.

Thanks for your help.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Kruk
« on: Friday 06 December 19 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shellyesq, I'm blocked from opening the link, but at least I know that I have the right burial details. I presume no one else is buried in that plot.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Kruk
« on: Friday 06 December 19 11:56 GMT (UK)  »
Looks like the answer.

The two burials, one in Feb 1836 and the other Apr 1837:

There is a record in the 1837 City Directory for a John Kruk at Garfield, Bergen County, New jersey, so this could be connected with the 1837 burial. and the 1830 Census record. That leaves us with the Feb 1836 burial. So for the moment I'll go with that, until any other information turns up, one way or the other.

Thanks.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Kruk
« on: Friday 06 December 19 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. I have seen these two and both refer to burials at Bergen, New Jersey. At least one of these presumably refers to John Kruk (wife Anna Kruk) in the 1930 US census. Not sure about the other one.

With three cemeteries in Newark, there would have to be a specific reason for a burial at Bergen.

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US Lookup Requests / John Kruk
« on: Friday 06 December 19 10:06 GMT (UK)  »
I have struggled to find details of the death of JOHN KRUK.
He was born in Poland in 1894, immigrated to the USA in 1904 and lived at 380 Chesnut, Newark, Essex, New jersey. His name may be spelt KRUCK, or KRACK.

He appears in the 1836 US City Directory but is missing in 1838 edition, his wife is listed as a widow in 1838.

I have checked Ancestry, New Jersey, Death Index without success.

His wife is Stella Kruk, and she is in the New Jersey Death Index under her original name, Stefania Kruk, died Apr 1961. With the family home in Newark, I have no reason doubt that John died in Newark.

Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Edward Monaghan
« on: Tuesday 03 December 19 19:08 GMT (UK)  »
The most promising record for Edward, son of Ann Monaghan is the 1881 census record showing James Goolden, Ann Goolden and Edward Monogue.

RG11 Piece 4036 Folio 51 Page 15

This gives Ann's year of birth as 1845 and place of birth as Ireland.

Checking Irish birth/baptismal records for 1840-1850, I have only found two possibles.

Anna Monaghan baptised 1844, daughter of Thoma Monaghan and Brigida Brien, at Saggart  on the edge of Dublin.

Ann Monaghan baptised 24/7/1842, daughter of Thomas Monaghan and Bridget Monaghan, at Kildress, Tyrone.

I think it's time to step back, gather together all the records and review what we have. Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Edward Monaghan
« on: Tuesday 03 December 19 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
Just for noting

1891 3276/33

46 Fleet Street A u L

Ann Goulden, lodger, widow, 55 yrs b Kilmainham, Ireland

I thought I had seen County Mayo as a birthplace for Ann (if it is the right one)

Here it is

1901 3785/118/2

Ann Goulding 64 yr widow b County Mayo

Now would Kilmainham (1891) and County Mayo (1901) sound similar to an untrained ear?

There is a death in 1908, Ann Goulding 66 yrs.

Does that fit into your time line for Edward’s records?
Kilmainham and County Mayo wouldn't sound the same to me, but I lived in Ireland for seventeen years and know the importance of Kilmainham. To the untrained ear maybe.

As a district of Dublin, Kilmainham is a very specific place whereas County Mayo is very general. Who knows.

The death of Ann Goulding in 1908 would fit. Worth some investigation especially as Edward indicated  his mother was Ann Goulding, in his discharge papers.  Maybe she adopted this spelling later in life.

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The Common Room / Re: Edward Monaghan
« on: Tuesday 03 December 19 16:59 GMT (UK)  »
I see what you mean.

I gather the £5354 he left would be about £700,000 in today's money.
How does an 'overseer of rates and collector' amass that sort of money by the age of 47?

His father James died in 1880 and left £400.

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