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Kent / Re: Photos? St Clement churchyard, Old Romney - DOWLE family
« on: Friday 14 July 23 09:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, David.
I will go through my information over the next couple of days and send back. We currently have extremely limited Internet access so I will have to wait for that to improve.
I would be grateful to receive copies of your photos, if possible, please - especially if the inscriptions can still be read. That's amazing, given their age!
For now,
OzJen

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Kent / Re: Photos? St Clement churchyard, Old Romney - DOWLE family
« on: Tuesday 11 July 23 12:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, David.
You are right about the over-supply of Abrahams! They seemed to favour certain names in every generation and so it does get very confusing.

I hope you've had a lovely holiday. I will be interested to see anything you post when you get a chance to review.

Take care,
OzJen

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Kent / Re: Photos? St Clement churchyard, Old Romney - DOWLE family
« on: Sunday 09 July 23 04:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi David and Julian,
I've just found your postings (very late - I know!). I have some different information and I'm curious to know where I've gone wrong, because all this *seemed* to fit together. Some of this list agrees with David's and some doesn't.  ???

I have:
Peter Dowle b. 1806 = Charlotte Boots & then Eliza Evans
son of James Dowle b. 1777 = Mary Hunt
son of James Dowle b. 1741 = Anne Woodman
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1704 = Susanna (Susan) Grey
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1673 = Agnes Hall
son of James Dowle b. 1635 = Alice Mantell
son of James Dowle b. 1590 = Jane Bigges/Biggs
son of Abraham ?? Dowle

I have William Dowle b. 1675 = Elizabeth Marketman as uncle and aunt to Abraham b. 1704

Any information will be gratefully received!
For now,
OzJen

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From DavidEB:
John Dowle b1806
son of Abraham Dowle b.1769 = Mary Beaney
son of Abraham Dowle b. 1739 = Mary Sharwood
son of Abraham Dowle b.1708 = Susannah Grey
son of William Dowle b. 1675 = Elizabeth Marketman
son of James Dowle b. 1626 = Alice Mantell
son of John Dowle b. 1590 = Jane Biggs
son of Abraham?? Dowle

Mary Sharwood b. 1740 to Thomas Sharwood and Mary Marten
Alice Mantell's father, Matthew, is noted in the Kent Visitation of 1619.

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Australia / Re: Seeking John Shepherd b.13 AUG 1857, Balmain, New South Wales
« on: Thursday 07 July 22 06:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your suggestions, Neale1961.

Seems unusual that Fosber(r)y was needed to give permission for William Frederick's marriage if the groom's parents were not deceased. Makes me wonder if they were still in Sydney, or even the colony.

The 'NZ connection' was a vague third-hand suggestion a number of years ago. I'm not sure if it meant that John and Sarah had gone to NZ, either temporarily or permanently.

Given the information on William and Sarah's marriage record, and the lack of paternal permission, I'm now wondering if this is relevant.

Interesting too, that the parish register for John and Sarah's marriage does not seem to have been digitised, and so the summary index is the only record available.

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Australia / Re: Frederick (Fred) Shepherd 185- - 1934; Balmain & Tingha NSW
« on: Thursday 07 July 22 05:04 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much for sending the link to John Shepherd's insolvency file, Neale1961.
Very interesting!

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Australia / Seeking John Shepherd b.13 AUG 1857, Balmain, New South Wales
« on: Wednesday 06 July 22 05:45 BST (UK)  »
Dear Rootchatters,

I've received some valuable help from other, wiser, members of this community recently, and so I'm hoping someone can help me again, please. 🤞

I have an existing thread up about Frederick Shepherd, but this is about his younger brother, John, born in Balmain on 13 AUG 1857 (Reg 2396/1857).

All I definitely know is John's birth date and location of his birth. I have not found a baptism record.

John MAY have married Sarah Taylor on 27 Nov 1875 in Sydney, but I cannot be sure that this is correct and, to-date, have not been able to uncover anything except the Marriage Index entry (1071/1875 ), which doesn't give parents' names.

John Shepherd and Sarah Taylor seem to have had a son named William Frederick in 1876, and I have a baptism record from St Paul's Cleveland Street which leads me to think this is right.

If the marriage in 1875 is my John Shepherd's then William Frederick will be his son.

Beyond that, John Shepherd seems to have 'disappeared'.

There was a suggestion that there is a NZ connection in his life story somewhere, but to-date I have not found one.

If anyone can help, I will be very grateful.

OzJen

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Australia / Re: Frederick (Fred) Shepherd 185- - 1934; Balmain & Tingha NSW
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 07:33 BST (UK)  »
That's what I've been assuming, Sue. I suspect Fred wasn't an easy bloke, going by what I've read of his early life in Balmain. Would've likely have been a very tough bloke with a street education who was a heavy drinker, but perhaps charming when he wanted to be.

In 1899 Henrietta may have also needed financial support and he had arrived in town.

Fred and Henrietta may have had Freda and then gone their separate ways until 1907 when William Frederick was born at 'The Ponds'/Ponds Creek

Quote from: sparrett on Tuesday 05 July 22 07:11 BST (UK)
In 1903, Henrietta SHEPHERD is on the Electoral Roll in NSW at Ponds Creek.
No others of the surname with her.

It is possible Frederick decided against voter registration.

He may not have even been with her in 1903, sparrett. The 7-year gap between the children is quite large.

If she left him after the son was born, he may then have lived like a vagrant out at the racecourse, according to what my grandfather was told in the 1930s. If that happened he would have lived like that for 27 years, butchering and labouring until he was 80. That's a long time.

Seems funny that someone can live in country town for 35 years and never get a mention in the local paper, even when he dies. I'm sure there's more to his story and really want to 'fill that in' a bit more.

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Australia / Re: Frederick (Fred) Shepherd 185- - 1934; Balmain & Tingha NSW
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 05:56 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much, Neale1961! 👍🙏🏻

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Australia / Re: Frederick (Fred) Shepherd 185- - 1934; Balmain & Tingha NSW
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 05:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Neale1961.

That's confusing! I didn't realise there were 2 Frederick Shepherds!

Unfortunately the Hallinan/Shepherd riot involvement would be mine. 🤦🏻‍♀️
They seem to have been pretty fiesty lot.

I will check that out.
Sounds like quite a scene!

I've found the case where Frederick absconds with money for the punt fee and heads back to Balmain, leaving Anderson's horse in the bush. Sounds like the sort of thing 'our Fred' might possible do ...

Is there a way I can see the Criminal file online? That way I could eliminate things that don't belong!

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