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Alex I'm not aware of any of the Haines family emigrating prior to George but will check my tree.  I have the family back to the 1700s on the Isle of Wight.

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Thankyou so much. I shall certainly investigate when I get back from work this evening and let you know.
Jo

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To add to the above:
I think that Mary Christina Haines (nee Guise)'s mother also Mary Christina married Henry G Pope in the Portsmouth area 1931. According to the shipping records of 1931 she was born in 1878.  There was a death of Mary Christina Pope in New Zealand in 1976 with a birthdate of 10 Feb 1878.

I think Mary Christina Guise as Mary Pope returned to New Zealand on board the Strathmore 26 April 1940.

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George Thomas Haines was my grandmother's cousin.  He was A./Lt. Col. in the Royal Marines before retiring from the force in 1947 www.unithistories.com/officers/RM_officersH.html#Haines_GT
My grandmother always said that he had gone to New Zealand, with his wife Mary and had become a sheep farmer.  She thought he had two children, Sarah and Thomas.

According to www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/  George Thomas Haines died in 1997 and had a birthdate of 28 December 1911.  This ties in with my grandmother's birthday book which has Thomas Haines on December 28.  (Fairly certain that George used his middle name more following his father's, Thomas George Haines, death in 1917 in the war.)

Someone found for me the following crematorium record:

Forename(s): George Thomas
Age: 85 Years
Gender: Male
Date of death: 17 Jan 1997
Date of cremation: 21 Jan 1997
Funeral director: Mark Rowley Funeral Services
16 - 18 Anne Street, Devonport, North Shore City 0624
Ashes status: Returned to Family 28 Jan 1997

In the bdmhistorical records I also found Mary Christina Haines  death in 2004 with a birthdate of 4 Nov 1913. I'm fairly sure that this was george's wife  and that her maiden name was Guise.   There was a marriage of George Thomas Haines and Mary C Guise in Portsmouth area 1934 where the Haines family lived.  Sarah C Haines was born 1939 in the Portsmouth area with a mother whose maiden name was Guise.

If Mary C Guise was George Thomas Haines's wife then I think she was born in New Zealand and travelled to England with her mother also Mary C Guise from New Zealand first in 1930 c/o High Commission for New Zealand, returning to New Zealand January 1931 and then back to Southampton Nov 1931 heading to Portsmouth.

I think Mary Christina Haines with daughter Sarah C age 7  and Andrew age 3 (who I can't find a birth record for yet) travelled to New Zealand on the Rangitiki leaving London 10 May 1947. George T Haines followed on the Rangitata leaving London 2 Jan 1948.

It would be unusual for the wife and children to go first but if she was born in New Zealand then she had family to go to whilst George tidied up affairs in England.

My son is currently in Auckland for a few months as he travels the world.  It would be great to track down the descendants of George Thomas Haines.

Any suggestions of where to look next would be appreciated.
Thankyou
Jo

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Gloucestershire / Re: WEBB family Uley/Dursley - needing something else to confirm link
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 17:01 BST (UK)  »
Using the wonderful site http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx
I've found a couple of James's children with their mother's maiden name Elliott(s).

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Gloucestershire / WEBB family Uley/Dursley - needing something else to confirm link
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 11:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I'm trying to check on my great great grandmother's cousins to fill in some of the story of that time.
Ann Wood was the daughter of Edwin Wood (1807 Dursley) and Rebecca Baglin Webb, born in Uley 1844. I'm fairly certain I have her Wood cousins through her Uncle John (born 1808 Dursley) and am now trying to link in her Webb cousins.
Rebecca Baglin Webb was the daughter of Giles Webb and Sarah Baglin born 1811 in Uley. Giles and Sarah are with Rebecca and her family 1841 (RG HO107 piece 348 folio 49 page 9).
Parish records have 2 brothers for Rebecca: William 1807 and James 1809.
1841 has a William at Woodmancote (RG HO107 347 39 15) with wife Elizabeth and children.
In 1851 at Woodmancote (RG HO107 1958 385 18) with wife and children.
In 1861 at Woodmancote (RG09 1753 66 15) with wife, one son, father in law and nephew Andrew who matches James's son Andrew.
1871 at Woodmancote (RG10 2594 64 16) with wife, different son and Andrew who is now son in law having married Sarah Elizabeth Webb 1864. (This must be William's daughter Elizabeth in the 1851 census the ages match in later censuses)
1881 at Woodmancote (RG11 2520 62 12)

1841 has James at Dursley (RG HO 107 347 21 10) with wife Elizabeth, children and Elizabeth Elliott age 65
In 1851 at Dursley (RG HO 107 1958 361 14) with wife Elizabeth, children and apparently mother Elizabeth Webb age 78. Could this be Elizabeth Elliott who could be his mother in law?
1861 at Dursley (RG09 1753 24 3) James had married Matilda Chamberlain 1855. Son Andrew is with his Uncle William, which is one of the main reasons why I think this James is the right James.
1871 at Dursley (RG10 2594 13 18)
1881 at Dursley (RG11 2520 49 20)

I haven't found any other links between the families apart from Andrew.  Obviously if teh Elizabeth Webb senior with James in 1851 is indeed his mother then these are the wrong William and james to be Rebecca's brothers. Does anyone have Phillimore's marriage index in which they could check for a marriage between James Webb and Elizabeth Elliott around 1830? James marriage certificate to Matilda in 1855 would confirm his father's name but I don't particularily want to go to that expense at the moment if I can help it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks Jo

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Amongst old family papers I have a certificate awarding first prize to Charles Tolhurst for Bass Solo, Class 59 at the Hastings Musical Festival 8 March 1932. The adjudicator was Marcus Thomson F.R.A..M. with John Lockey as Hon. Sec.
I also have a copy of a book entitled "A Wandering Minstrel 1" "Vagrom Sketches by CASEY" price 1 shilling published by the National Labour Press, in which Charles Tolhurst wrote his name.

I don't have a Charles in the family despite having followed the families of the 12 siblings listed in the family bible born between 1797 and 1819 in Ore Hastings down through the generations.

My great grandfather Henry Tolhurst was musical: at times teaching, playing the organ and in a band.  My grandfather Algernon Henry was also musical, performing in amateur operatics. The family were in Westfield in the early 1900s.

I feel sure that somehow there must be a connection between this Charles and my family but have drawn a complete blank as to how.
Any ideas welcomed.
Jo

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The record in the link is for a James Graham born AUGHALAHAR, Fermanagh. My James was definitely getting married in Cupar Fife in 1800 so unlikely to have enlisted in Ireland that year. As his son enlisted in Cupar in 1822, James and family must have returned there.  He was described as a pensioner in Collessie on his daughter's marriage. I think its therefore highly unlikely that my James was born in Ireland, but rather in Fife.

I presume that his wife and children joined him in Malta at the end of 1807.  As daughter was born there in 1812, they were there for a while.  His wife Christian was a widow with their daughter in 1841 in Glasgow.

My time at Kew ran out unfortunately to continue through the muster records to find when they returned to the UK.

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James GRAHAM married Christian MCINTOCH in Cupar Fife 7 Dec 1800: he was described as 'of the Royal Artillery'.

 At his son James's birth he was a Sergeant Royal Artillery 8th brigade in Canterbury June 1803.
 At his daughter Christian's birth he was Sergeant Royal Artillery 8th Battalion in Malta May 1812.

Son James enlisted in Royal Artillery in 1822 at Cupar Fife.

A memorial stone in Collessie, Fife churchyard:
'In memory of James Graham age 63 1815
and Margaret Stewart his spouse who died 1798 age 42 years and Christian Graham their daughter who died 1822 age 27 years.'

On the reverse:
'In memory of James Graham Serjeant Royal Artillery who died August 8th 1827 age 51 years.'

Collessie parish death register has 'Serjeant James Graham aged 51 date of death 8 August 1827 soldier of Lord Leven's Lodges Collessie.'

James was referred to as the late James Graham pensioner in the parish of Collessie on daughter Christian's marriage to Michael Dewar 1840 in Edinburgh.

Daughter Christian's death certificate 1871 gives:
father - James Graham key and colour serjeant Royal Artillery
mother- Christian Graham (McIntosh)

Trying to find James in the Royal Artillery records at Kew a couple of years ago I found:
WO10/481 a James Graham at Deal but paid at Canterbury between July and Dec 1803.  In Dec he was promoted from bombadier to corporal of 8th battalion.
WO10/501, WO10/522, WO10/542, WO10/564 1804 - 1805 he was at Woolwich.
WO10/587 Jan - June 1806 at Woolwich but then Warley.
WO10/609 June - Dec 1806 at Warley, then Downs, then Plymouth and then on board defence transport in Oct, Nov and Dec when his pay was reduced 'for his wife'. There was here a note of his enlistment - 7 Jan 1793.
WO10/633 Jan - June 1807 in Malta pay still reduced for wife
WO10/653 July - Dec 1807 in Malta, pay reduced for wife until Dec when there was no reduction.

His presence in Woolwich ties in with a baptism from parish records on the IGI of Jane Elizabeth GRAHAM daughter of James GRAHAM and Christian  30 June 1805 at the Scots Church, Woolwich.

I couldn't find his service records at Kew, having to look through the battalion records to find him.
Not knowing anything about the Royal Artillery and the ranks, could James have been a sergeant in 1803 then bombadier, then corporal at the end of 1803, and then sergeant by 1812?  Could the register in 1803 be a mistake?

Are his service records somewhere at Kew and I just didn't find them?
Any help or suggestions where to find more infomation would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jo

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