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Hello
I can find the Williams family before 1897 but not the Owens in 1901.
The marriage was at Wigan Registry Office and you may need to buy the cert.
You have the 1901 census for the Williams and Mary Jane's mother is with  the Owens 1911

1891 census Westleigh Lancs
Mary Williams married 39 born Wrexham
Mary J 17 born Wrexham
David J 15 born Hanley Staffs
Frances E 13 born Hanley
William 8 born Huyton Quarry lancs

1881 Baker St Huyton
James 33 coal miner Wales
Mary 29
Mary j 7
Dabid j 5
Frances E Staffordshire.

The couples children Mary Jane Mar 1874 Wrexham,David James Dec 1875 Son T,Frances Elizabeth Dec 1877 Son t ,William June 1882 Prescot all give mmn as Richards.

Their marriage was at Eturia St Mathews 11.11.1871
James Williams 23 bach Sidney st James Williams collier
Mary Richards 20 Sidney st Ellis  Richards shop keeper

1871 census has them in Hanley
James Williams lodger 23  coliier Flintshire in Bath St Hanley
Mary Richards 21 lodger Wrexham in Oldham St Hanley.
I'll see what else I can find.

Ciderdrinker

Hi
It's a bit pot luck.Usually it's a matter of looking at family trees wiTh photos online.

Ancestry has a photo of her parents on its list of family trees.
Also his sisters Mary Elizabeth Burton 1862-1944.Fanny Maria 1854-1905 Brothers Joseph Colman Burton 1864-1872 and Alfred James 1866-1961.
There is Effe's sister Ethel 1889-1965

If you have ancestry have a look


Ciderdrinker

Hi
Children of John and Elizabeth Morris
Sarah 22/24 Jan 1785
William 23/24 March 1787
Ann 27.11.1788
Margaret 27.1.1793
John 9.7.1797
Evan 29.4.1799

There is a possible marriage at Mochdre
John Morris and Elizabeth Woosnam 13.5.1776 otp
But it's a bit early ,if Sarah their first child is born 1785.


Ciderdrinker

Hello
I can connect 2 out of 3.

Micheal Scully bc 1878 ,is also born 1871 on his death record in Aberdeen in 1923.
It looks like he was born in 1874.

Michael Scully 13.5.1874 s of Michael and Mary Scully nee Sexton at Togart  Wexford a labourer.
Anne Jane born 26.2.1871 Wexford of Ferrycraig is his sister.

Other children Sarah 8.7.1858 Fermoy Workhouse
James  7.11.1860 Wicklow
Margaret 11.11.1867 Eniscorthy
Bridget 15.5.1869 Arlow of Ballykitty
Teresa 16.11.1872 Wexford

marriage for parensts  12.9.1857 at Newmarket on Fergus co Clare.


There is a Mary Kate Scully 10.11.1867 also at Fermoy Workhouse d of Thomas Scully and Kate Brown who could be the other one.

No time to check out more as Library is about to close.
Sorry

Ciderdrinker

Hello Ealagh
Welcome to Rootschat.
Yes I agree it looks like Elizabeth Mobberley b c 1785 is the daughter of Edward and Elizabeth Mobberley bapt 20.6.1788 with her sister Lucy at Old Swinford.
I'm descended from her brother William bapt 3.5.1782 who was born while his father was at Royston Middlesex.He and his wife Eleanor are the ones witnessing her marriage.

These Mobberleys were on the poor side of the family ,unlike their richer brickmaker cousins who owned their own businesses.Most of them were nailors living on The Waste in mud huts up on the hill overlooking Lye.
As I discussed with METaunt his Joseph born 1816 ,could have been the son of Elizabeth or her sister Lucy ,and as you know there is no sign of a Nathaniel so they could be the same man as you suggest. And again the two Marys died as a baby and a 5 year old. Sarah Mobberley with a father Benjamin Marsh seems to be too much of a coincidence and must be the missing Elizabeth.

You seem to have been very thorough in your research and I can't see anything I can add. It is nice to know what happened to Elizabeth and interesting to hear of the Australian side of things.

My tree is on Ancestry if you have it .It goes back to John Mobberley and Alice Seabright.


Ciderdrinker