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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Sunday 23 June 19 21:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Dot123 on Saturday 22 June 19 10:44 BST (UK)
Hi there. I'm wondering if we're connected also. I'm a descendant of Andersons of Auldearn also. My gt gt gt grandparents were Margaret McIntosh and Alexander Anderson and I am descended from their son John, who married Mary Rose and had 6 children. Their two sons were Alexander born circa 1861 and John born 1863 and they both left Scotland in 1883* and emigrated to Australia. My great grandfather was Alexander who went on to Norfolk Island and had many children. One son, Alexander Anderson (my grandfather) moved with some of his family to NZ. I'll go into ancestry and do more research. PS, I have visited their graves in Auldearn where I was able to fill in many gaps for information from the early 1800's

Hi there,

I'm not sure if we would be connected because it was my great grandmother Christina Paul who was born in Auldearn. The Paul family at one time was well known in the area. My great grandfather, Christina's husband, did live in Audlearn for a while and died there in 1937. He too is buried in Auldearn cemetery but has no grave marker. I will look into though and visit the graves next year when I am back in Scotland. If you find anything more could you let me know and I will do the same.

Cheers
Valmai

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Nairnshire / Re: Anderson/Fraser-Auldearn
« on: Tuesday 20 August 13 22:18 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Monday 19 August 13 17:46 BST (UK)
Apologies for missing the marriage date - need to clean my specs more thoroughly ;D

No worries - my specs could do with a good clean now and then too ;D

I actually heard back from the Highland Council and they have located John's grave in Auldearn cemetery. I can finally lay him to rest, but as for the son mentioned on his death certificate, he remains a mystery at the moment.

I will take a look at the census records again, but my previous searches don't have a John and Elizabeth Anderson living in Nairn in 1911. Maybe they were living elsewhere at the time or with someone else.

Cheers

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Nairnshire / Re: Anderson/Fraser-Auldearn
« on: Monday 19 August 13 01:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 18 August 13 23:31 BST (UK)
The 1901 census shows Elsie as Elsie McP Anderson and as she was 50 at that time - she was too old to have any children.   1901 shows 3 sons born to his first marriage John, James & Alexander

You don't give a date or location for the marriage to Elizabeth Fraser.  If it was before the 1911 census - are any children shown?

Hi Carole,

Thanks for replying.

The 1901 census does indeed show Elsie as Elsie McP, but on the marriage record it shows her as Elsie McLean. I made a mistake in my first post by calling her Elsie Grant. Her father was William McLean and her mother Elizabeth McGregor. She was 40 when she married John, he is listed as 35 which isn't correct. John was born in 1861 so he would have been 29 when they married. Not sure if he may have lied about his age but thinking he may have. Also, there was a another son William born in 1883 to John and Christina, who was left behind in Auldearn with Christina's parents. He later joined his father and brothers in Glasgow, in 1893.

I did mention the year and location where John and Elizabeth were married at the beginning of my previous post. Eleventh of February, 1910, Edinkillie, District of Nairn, County of Nairn. I tried finding them on the 1911 census but didn't come up with anything concrete. I guess I need to look again. Elizabeth was 31 when she married John, and he is listed as being 43. Another inconsistency with his age. He would have been about 49, and his age at death fits in with his year of birth.

Cheers
 

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Nairnshire / Anderson/Fraser-Auldearn
« on: Sunday 18 August 13 16:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Does anyone have information on a John Anderson and Elizabeth Fraser who were married in Edinkillie, District of Nairn, 1910?

John Anderson was born in 1861, Elgin, to Alexander John Anderson and Isabella Stalker McArthur. From records I have ascertained that in 1882 he married Christina Paul, born 1862, Auldearn. Christina died in 1889, and John then married an Elsie Grant in 1890. They moved into the Glasgow area and lived there up until Elsie died in 1906.

Elizabeth Fraser, John's 3rd wife, was born about 1879 to Donald Fraser and Ann Mann. In 1937 John Anderson died, and there is a son mentioned on his death certificate, Robert Anderson. I have not been able to find a birth for him recording John and Elizabeth as his parents.

I obtained a copy of his obit from The Forres News and Advertiser, 1937. It simply says, Anderson-At Wester Milton, Moyness, Auldearn, on 15th November, 1937, John Anderson, beloved husband of Elizabeth Fraser, aged 76 years. Further down there is a thank you from Elizabeth. Mrs. Anderson and family return sincere thanks for the many kind expressions of sympathy extended to them in their bereavement. Wester Milton, Moyness, Auldearn.

John Anderson was my great grandfather, and I am very keen to find out the 'family' mentioned in Elizabeth's post. If any one has information they would be willing to share, it would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Valmai

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 19:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: crimea1854 on Tuesday 18 June 13 16:36 BST (UK)
Valmai

Thanks for coming back with an update, it's always nice to know where leads take fellow RootsChatters. Just out of interest did William jump ship, shown by the words 'Run' on his record, because two years is an unusual period of service?

Martin

Hi Martin,

Interestingly enough, "Run" does appear on both William and my grandfather's records. I didn't realize 'Run' meant jumping ship, but it seems that's exactly what William did in 1905. I am confused about his record though, because another man appears on it, a Robert Gregson. His service number was 302649 and why he is on my Uncle's Naval record I have no idea. I would like to send the record to you if I could, for you to take a look at it and see what you think about it. Would this be okay?

Incidently, my grandfather served 88 days for his 'Run' from the HMS Doris in 1908, and it looks like he tried it again later on. His record is hard to read in some places.

Valmai

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Tuesday 18 June 13 16:16 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: crimea1854 on Tuesday 11 June 13 07:26 BST (UK)
Hi

There are two Naval Service Records on the NA website, one for a John, the other a William Anderson both born Rothes around the dates you provided. What is interesting is that their service numbers are consecutive, which suggests they enlisted together, so are perhaps brothers.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?discoveryCustomSearch=true&_fn=&_ln=anderson&_no=&_pl=Rothes&_sdb=&_edb=&_ser=ADM+139&_ser=ADM+188&_col=online&_dt=R&image1.x=46&image1.y=21

Martin

Hi Martin,

I wanted to get back with you and let you know that I purchased both records for John and William Anderson, and William and John enlisted in the Royal Navy on the same day. Physical descriptions of both men listed on the records are too similar for them not to be brothers. I'm not sure what the age requirement was for enlistment in the Navy at time, but both men listed their year of birth, one year earlier than their actual birth. Interestingly, William only served for 2 years. His last run was on the HMS Challenger where the ship's port of call was Auckland, New Zealand. At least now I have proof that William was in New Zealand.

Valmai

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 16:00 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Tuesday 11 June 13 05:31 BST (UK)

I very much hope that you are not reyling solely on A******y for your research.


Hi,

I'm not relying solely on Ancestry. That is a mistake I have seen many people make, including my own brother and nephew who have tree's on the site. I will do a general search on Ancestry to see if I get any hits or hints, and from there I start to research thoroughly, finally backing everything up with official records purchased from Scotlandspeople or N/A if they have them available. I have many, many birth, marriage and death records, also census and valuation rolls.

However, it is important to note and for new people starting their research, that even official records aren't always correct. I have found many errors on records that are simply just a spelling mistake. That one small error can put one of course when doing a search so every time I find one I contact SP and alert them to it.

Cheers
Valmai

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: crimea1854 on Tuesday 11 June 13 07:26 BST (UK)
Hi

"There are two Naval Service Records on the NA website, one for a John, the other a William Anderson both born Rothes around the dates you provided."

302651 is my grandfather John Anderson's service number. I have his discharge certificate here signed by King George. I found him listed on the Mercantile Marine crew lists several times, and I tracked him down in N/A, but I never took notice of the men listed above or below him. Both John and William have different dates of birth, but perhaps they lied about their age in order to enlist.

Anyway, thanks so much for alerting me to this. I will order William's records and see what they reveal. 

Cheers
Valmai

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Lost Andersons of Moray
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 00:09 BST (UK)  »
Well if you already subscribe to Ancestry you shouldn't have any problems getting access to my tree.

It's far from complete mind you, a bit of a work in progress, but I have over 4000 people on it and over 1000 pictures, stories and records. I also have a ton of records I haven't added yet, so if or whenever you have time to look and you find something of interest, I'll be happy enough to send the info and/or original picture, record etc.

Valmai

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