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The Common Room / Re: The Queen V. Stonyer and Others, 1842
« on: Friday 03 May 24 13:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the links. I am chasing them up now.
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The Common Room / Re: The Queen V. Stonyer and Others, 1842
« on: Wednesday 01 May 24 23:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you, yes, that seems to be the case. Now to track down the letter.
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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Wednesday 01 May 24 23:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.
I suspect that the marriage I was looking for never actually took place.
I suggest that we now draw a line under this particular case.
I suspect that the marriage I was looking for never actually took place.
I suggest that we now draw a line under this particular case.
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The Common Room / The Queen V. Stonyer and Others, 1842
« on: Wednesday 01 May 24 23:26 BST (UK) »
A newspaper report in the Morning Herald of 20 Jan1842 refers to a court case of The Queen V. Stonyer and Others. I think the case is heard by the Queen's Bench. Where might I find a transcript of the hearing? The case appears to combine both libel and bankruptcy. 
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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Monday 29 April 24 13:00 BST (UK) »
"Spurious" was my thought too 
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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Monday 29 April 24 12:41 BST (UK) »
I have found what I think is Peter Heath's baptism in 1819 at St. Modwen, Burton upon Trent. I've attached the image, but I'm struggling to make out Peter's second forename. The entry suggests Peter was illegitimate.
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The Common Room / Re: Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Monday 29 April 24 10:36 BST (UK) »
A big thank you to everyone who has contributed so far. My principal focus at the moment is actually on John Stonyer and his wife Elizabeth, and I have been chasing him around Derbyshire and Staffordshire now for quite a while. I have him up to the 1841 census. As the Stonyers (I tend to use a standardised form of the surname) were millers, and worked watermills, this is the first in the family I have found that have any association with windmills. Sadly, the miller is oft not recorded, so there is always an assumption as to which mill they might have worked, but in this case, the association is quite clear.
In researching quite so intensely, it is a frequent trap to fall into in using a small set of search strategies, which is why I posted here trusting that new pairs of eyes might see something I missed.
Peter Heath senior was baptised using that name, so that is the name I use. He is recorded as Peter S Heath on the 1855 Albany US census, as is his son. The S may be for Stonyer, but until I have evidence to confirm this, I'm not making any assumptions. I have not yet investigated Peter senior's parentage, but the information given earlier I will follow up, particularly as a further aspect of my reseach focuses on millers.
It may be, of course, that Peter and Martha never married, but it might also be that it was a nonconformist marriage of some description, and as my research is 99% carried out online, the relevent transcripts and/or images may simply not be available yet. The banns for Peter Heath and Eliza Atkin for which a marriage has to be found might indicate that that marriage was called off for reasons that might include Martha Stonyer. I need to check dates on this.
The follow-up to this particular stage of research is to try and identify which mill or mills John and his "son-in-law" worked. I have a possibility, but maps of the period seem not to show such features as mills, so I have to search for other features commonly found in association with mills. I know they emigrated on the SS Niagara on 13 July 1847. I have 1850, 1855, 1860 and 1880 censuses for Peter and Martha. Martha died in March 1901 and is buried in Catskill, Greene County. I have yet to discover a death and burial for
I suspect John Stonyer died between 1860 and 1880 (I haven't yet found an 1870 US census for him or Elizabeth), but have yet to find a record of his death and burial. Elizabeth I have in 1880, but not after that, and again no death or burial. I will be looking further for these.
In researching quite so intensely, it is a frequent trap to fall into in using a small set of search strategies, which is why I posted here trusting that new pairs of eyes might see something I missed.
Peter Heath senior was baptised using that name, so that is the name I use. He is recorded as Peter S Heath on the 1855 Albany US census, as is his son. The S may be for Stonyer, but until I have evidence to confirm this, I'm not making any assumptions. I have not yet investigated Peter senior's parentage, but the information given earlier I will follow up, particularly as a further aspect of my reseach focuses on millers.
It may be, of course, that Peter and Martha never married, but it might also be that it was a nonconformist marriage of some description, and as my research is 99% carried out online, the relevent transcripts and/or images may simply not be available yet. The banns for Peter Heath and Eliza Atkin for which a marriage has to be found might indicate that that marriage was called off for reasons that might include Martha Stonyer. I need to check dates on this.
The follow-up to this particular stage of research is to try and identify which mill or mills John and his "son-in-law" worked. I have a possibility, but maps of the period seem not to show such features as mills, so I have to search for other features commonly found in association with mills. I know they emigrated on the SS Niagara on 13 July 1847. I have 1850, 1855, 1860 and 1880 censuses for Peter and Martha. Martha died in March 1901 and is buried in Catskill, Greene County. I have yet to discover a death and burial for
I suspect John Stonyer died between 1860 and 1880 (I haven't yet found an 1870 US census for him or Elizabeth), but have yet to find a record of his death and burial. Elizabeth I have in 1880, but not after that, and again no death or burial. I will be looking further for these.
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The Common Room / Help to find a missing marriage
« on: Sunday 28 April 24 23:32 BST (UK) »
I have a Peter S Heath who I believe married a Martha Stonyer (or possibly Stonier or Stanier) at some point between 1841 and 1844. I have an unmarried Martha on an 1841 Census at Burton Extra, Staffordshire, England HO107 Piece 975 Book 10 Folio 5 Pages 22 - 23, with her father and mother. Peter and Martha had two children born in the UK, John Thomas Heath, born 1844, birth registered in Burton upon Trent and Peter Heath, born 1846, birth registered in Burton upon Trent. The family then migrated to the USA and next appear on the US 1850 census.
I can't find a record of a marriage, which I assume happened sometime between 1841 and 1844, on any of the usual places. Help, please.
I can't find a record of a marriage, which I assume happened sometime between 1841 and 1844, on any of the usual places. Help, please.
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Staffordshire / Re: Blythe Bridge Mill
« on: Wednesday 17 April 24 16:04 BST (UK) »
Sadly, tithe maps on the Genealogist are only available of the most expensive subscription, and simply I can't afford that together with all the other subscriptions I've got. 
I've looked extensively at the Mills Archive - I think the prices they charge for some of their stuff is very high. Having said that, it was one of their newsletters about millers in New Zealand that prompted me to start this particular bit of research, having offered to write a piece about my uncle William Stonyer who made a significant contribution to milling in NZ. As you may begin to appreciate, this has grown in scope somewhat significantly. I too was struck by how little information is known of many of the mills I'm researching, not only at the Mills Archive, but the MMG group as well, and a secondary aim is to try and put that right.
As I live not too far from Stoke, it might be simpler for me to make a visit to the new archive later on this year; I assume that they will have the tithe apportionment maps available to view.
I've looked extensively at the Mills Archive - I think the prices they charge for some of their stuff is very high. Having said that, it was one of their newsletters about millers in New Zealand that prompted me to start this particular bit of research, having offered to write a piece about my uncle William Stonyer who made a significant contribution to milling in NZ. As you may begin to appreciate, this has grown in scope somewhat significantly. I too was struck by how little information is known of many of the mills I'm researching, not only at the Mills Archive, but the MMG group as well, and a secondary aim is to try and put that right.
As I live not too far from Stoke, it might be simpler for me to make a visit to the new archive later on this year; I assume that they will have the tithe apportionment maps available to view.