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Caernarvonshire / Re: Relationship of the Jones and Pughe-Jones families of Ynysgain/Llanystumdwy
« on: Monday 15 March 21 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
They are amazing finds, DCB. I have only had a chance to scan them but there looks like there is also clue in his middle name of "Wynne". Possibly another example of "keeping it in the family"? They seemed very keen on consolidating power and influence through land ownership. It may also point to why Robert Pughe-Jones, as a Barrister, was so keen to have all asset and wealth flow back into the line at every opportunity.   

On your response to the potential Quaker US link, the final line I am having problems with is that of Ann Pugh's son's (John Jones) wife; Jane Roberts (1808 - 1849), her father was Edmund Roberts b.1781 of Ucheldre Park, Anglesey. Her mother, Margaret Thomas of Aberffraw, Anglesey.

Edmund Roberts's father could be Hugh Roberts (1740 - 1785) who is recorded as having died in the Menai Straight Ferry Disaster where there was only one survivor. All the records I can access point to his Father being a John Roberts who lived his whole life in Milford, Pennsylvania, had three wives and 10 children....with only Hugh staying in Wales??

Is there anything in the Pedigrees of Anglesey/Carnarvonshire Families book you mentioned that might add some clarity to this?

Once again, appreciate your help in pushing through my final "Brickwalls".

Regards,

Alan.   

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Relationship of the Jones and Pughe-Jones families of Ynysgain/Llanystumdwy
« on: Saturday 13 March 21 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
I'll look into getting a copy of that as I'm also looking specifically into another branch of my family with a connection to Anglesey.

However, my research has been getting clouded by some American researchers claiming them as Early Settlers with William Penn but the timing, location and relationships just don't make sense. I think that will be the subject of another post.

Once again, appreciate your help and support,

Regards,

Alan.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Relationship of the Jones and Pughe-Jones families of Ynysgain/Llanystumdwy
« on: Friday 12 March 21 14:56 GMT (UK)  »
Ahh DCB, very distant cousin, I think you’ve cracked it. I had Robert's wife noted only as “Ann of Friddfedw” and didn’t get any further than that. I’ll now put those parents in and see where it takes me. Robert and Ann’s second eldest son was Robert so I wonder if he took the double-barrelled surname to differentiate himself.

The names of Jonnet and Humphrey have also come up in my common ancestor links. I am also linked to the de Coetmors but through a different line - from Robert Jones's (1767) great grandmother Ann Meredydd (d.1685) and her mother Gaenor Wynn to the Wynn’s of Bodfean and Bodvel to John Bodvel (1467 - 1538). Hywel ap Madog was his grandfather….I would lay odds on there being a crossover at some point when I come to trace back Ann Pugh.

If the pedigree you have suggests that crossover, please let me know and i’ll get my post rate up ;-)

Once again, thanks for your help,

Kind Regards,

Alan.

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Caernarvonshire / Relationship of the Jones and Pughe-Jones families of Ynysgain/Llanystumdwy
« on: Thursday 11 March 21 13:11 GMT (UK)  »
The Jones and Pughe-Jones families owned and farmed the Ynysgain Estate just south of Llanystumdwy for around 300 years. I am not concerned about what the ownership arrangement was but am interested to understand what the relationship was between the two families. I have a sense that it converges somewhere back on the Wynns of Bodvel line but I cannot find out much about the Pughe-Jones ancestors to trace it back. If anyone has come across this in their research or family records, I would appreciate any further help.

From the 1891 Census line 225 - Robert Pughe-Jones (1839 - 1897), Barrister, living at Ynysgain Ucha with 2 servants. Same Census, line 224 are my grandad, Thomas Jones and his grandparents John Thomas Jones (1832 - 1895) and Catherine Jones (1837 - 1917) at Ynysgain Ucha farm. Other great aunts and uncles were in various other houses on the Estate (Ganol, Bach etc.)

When Robert P-J died in 1897, his house was sold-off by his daughter (or grand-daughter), Dorothea Adelaide Lowry Pughe-Jones (1875 - 1955) and she took over my 2nd great grandparents farm, Ynysgain Ucha Farm. Catherine Jones (1837) and her eldest son John Thomas then moved to Pencaemelyn, a small-holding in Llanystumdwy sometime between 1897 and 1901.

The interesting thing is that through 20 years of disposal and consolidation of the Estate they clearly co-ordinated their actions and moves so there must be a stronger link than I am getting line of sight for.

Thanks in advance.

Alan.

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