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Hi

this family certainly is a muddled one, with all the surnames inter-locking for whatever the reason.

I asked about the marriage incase Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell herself did indeed have a child out of wedlock who then went on to have Alice out of wedlock - therefore making Alice Maude infact the grandaughter of Mary Rosina Gregory nee Powell.

Wendy

Wow, that is a really good point ...

I never thought about that. It depends which one of them couldn't have children ...

Now, just to find a marriage record for Robert and Mary ....  Yes, this family is soooo muddled.
Mary, Philip and Elizabeth are Maria Evan's step children ... Amelia Powell her only child to another Philip Powell. Maria must have remarried Edwards Evans sometime late 1860's.

The strangest thing is that someone else researching the same Powell family has ordered a few birth certificates for Elizabeth and Philip but none of them are the correct certificates .... We can't find any record for Philip Powell (father of Mary, Philip, Eliz and Amelia) anywhere!!

They are a really hard family to trace

HI

I know Robert and Mary where together in the 1881 census but when did they marry?


Wendy

Hi Wendy,

I never thought about that .... I just did a search for marriages for Robert Gregory between 1871 and 1881 in Glamorgan and Breconshire but got no results ... so no, after a quick search I can't find their marriage record.

I do know they weren't married 1871 -

1871: Rickard St, Glamorgan Llantwit Fardre (registration district - Pontypridd)
Edward Evans 32 Head M News? Vendor
Maria Evans 35 M House Keeper
Mary Powell 19 Dau U Merthyr, Glam
Phillip Powell 16 Son U Haulier Cardiff
Elizabeth Powell 13 Dau U Newport, Mon
Amelia Powell 10 Dau Cardiff
Edward Evans 1 Son Cardiff
Maria Evans 1 Dau Cardiff
Jane Gregory 48 Lodger Wid Glamorgan
Robert Gregory 22 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Henry Gregory 20 Lodger U Lab Iron Works Cardiff, Glam
Robert Bains (Burns?)30 M Pudlar Ireland
Mary Barns (Burns?) 34 M Stone, Staffordshire
Thos Davies 31 Lodger U Curaavon, Glamorgan

I assume they were married between 1871 and 1881 .....

osprey - yes, Robert and Mary could not have children .... My great-grandmother told her children that all her siblings were adopted. Blodwen Cousins is later Blodwen Gregory 1911 census ....
Thankyou for the link too ....

I also have an example of an adoptive mother registering the birth of the child as her own - believe me it took ages to sort that one out! When I had my kids the registrar already had a list recording their birth date and place. However, at the turn of the last century it would seem from my example that a woman could go along and register the birth of a baby, without producing any proof that she'd given birth at all. In this case the birth is registered as happening in her own home.

As far as we know the child was never registered by his real mother (who we still haven't found!)

So I hope you have better luck with your search.
Lesley

Hi Lesley

At the moment I really don't think that I am ever going to find out who her real parents were, sadly.

At least in 1891 census she is listed as a niece with the last name Powell. So, that gives me something to go on - the family obviously weren't thinking of her as a daughter at that point even though she was living with them from a young age.

There are heaps of birth records for around the same time for Alice Maud Powell's - but even if I ordered them all I don't really have much to go on in terms of knowing which one is her and having a piece of info that would separate her from the other Alice Maud's because I don't know who her parents are or an exact place of birth or even date.

Hi,

Yeah, I have and they say two different places - but both in Glamorgan, Wales.

It was possible for people not to register birth's though?

Thanks

Hopefully, I will find the right certificate!

Hi,

Philip Powell married Mary Jane Vizard ... yes could be his child but he was living in Cogan and Penarth 1881 - 1891 - so if it is his child she would have been born there.

I was wondering if she was an illegitimate child to Philip ....

Amelia, Philip and Elizabeth Powell were all married early/mid 1880's - before Alice Maud was born so I don't think that she was Amelia or Elizabeth's daughter.

She was possibly an illigetimate daughter to Maria Evan's -  she would have been 17/18 around 1889/1890 so perhaps she had a child young/ out of wedlock and the child went to live with Gregory's. That still doesn't explain why her last name is Powell 1891 census.

Alice had 4 children - Ruby, Alice, Blodwen and Douglas