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Shropshire / Joseph KENDALL of Hales Owen & father's home in Romsley.Transp. to VDL 1842.
« on: Monday 30 August 10 20:04 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I have had some luck and help with the Shropshire Archives, who have posted me [for a fee, but worthwhile] the 12pp trial and conviction to 10 years transportation, for housebreaking, to Van Diemen's Land of my gggg grandfather Joseph Kendall in 1841. He was a labourer, from the Parish of Hales Owen.

Anyhow,  I will be in England [from Tasmania - Van Diemen's Land!] in Sept and early Oct 2010 and would very much like to meet any Kendalls and/or Kendall descendants, or those with local knowledge, in the area between Hales Owen, Romsley and Hunnington.

For example, it would be great to meet people  who might be related from the siblings Joseph likely left behind. Also I am hoping that there might be some buildings still standing that are mentioned in the records that I could visit.

Joseph's father,  William Kendall whose house was from  the township of Romsley.
Joseph, in Tasmania, said his native place was "Houston, Shrophire"
but he was apprehended in the Bulls Head public house in Hunnington and it seems he lived at the time at Back Lane, Hunnington.

I have his Tasmanian convict indent record if you are related and interested, let me know.

Joseph Kendall 
Convicted 18 Oct 1841 Salop Shrewsbury
Travelled from Portsmouth on ship MOFFATT (3). Arrived 28 Nov 1842 # 39579
Joseph Kindle married Sarah Ann Cox  6/5/1863 (born 1843 aged 20) when he was aged 38, born 1824/5.
Died: 31/1/1877 Ulverstone, Tasmania, Aged 52

It would be great to map these locations, understand more about what happened and see the places where an ancestor came from.

Julie



 

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Nottingham assizes trial 1815 where to find records of trials +which newspapers?
« on: Monday 30 August 10 11:32 BST (UK)  »
hi and thanks GreyonGrey

I have been online a bit and found that likely all my 12 [yes 12] convict ancestors trial etc records pre their arrival in Australia [I have their Australian documentation] seem to be available on ancresty.com  of which I am not [yet] a member.

eg: Charles and wife, Hannah, McKenzie.

[1]
Name: Chas McKenzie Date of Trial: Summer 1815 Trial Year: 1815 Location of Trial: Nottinghamshire, England Sentence: Death Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
 
[2]
Name:   Hannah McKenzie
Date of Trial:   Summer 1815
Trial Year:   1815
Location of Trial:   Nottinghamshire, England
Sentence:   Death
Crime:   See Image
Date of Execution or Release:   See Image

So I think I likely need to join ancestry.com to access the 12 records.

I am trying to work out if it is better for me, with  Australian, Scottish, English and Irish ancestry [and no USA  or Canada connections] - to join the Australian Ancestry.com or UK one.
phew.

Julie

30
Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Sunday 29 August 10 00:21 BST (UK)  »
last post continued

Records continued of  some of the BDMs of Glasgow McGoughs:

Family of Frances McGough ex Carrickmacross Monaghan (1818 - 1881) to Glasgow Aug 1841 and married 1845 wife Ann nee Mortimer  ex Roscommon in 1833 with parents and siblings (1826-1856).
..............

3/1856 death
MCGOUGH, BRIDGET
Stat deaths 644/05 0246
Page 82 no. 246
Bridget Mc Gough (single)
Died: 31 March 1856 2 h 30 min pm
81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
female
3 months
Francis McGough Tailor Journeyman, Ann McGough maiden name Mortimer dec.
Cause of death: Debility from Birth
No medical attendant.
Burial place: Dalbeth cemetery, Glasgow. As certified by James Lynch, undertaker.
Signature, qualifications and residence of informant: Francis McGough
Father [signed in wobbly writing]
When and where registered: 1856. April 1st at Glasgow.
John Straw [?] registrar

1861 census ???
Francis McGough father and John McGough son ??

1/1875 marriage
JOHN MCGOUGH Marriage:
01/01/1875
Stat Marr 644/05 02391
1875 marriages in the district of Blackfriars in the Burgh of Glasgow
p120 No.239.
1 December 1875.
East Campbell Street Church Glasgow after Banns according to the terms of the United Presbyterian Church.
(Signed) John McGough (whipmaker master) (Bachelor). Age: 29
(signed) Hellen Hill, House Keeper (Spinster).  Age: 27
Residing: 38 St Andrews Sq, Glasgow.
Name, surname & rank or professions of father: Francis McGough Tailor (Journey man) (deceased) and  Ann McGough MS Mortimer (Deceased).
William Hill, House Factor (Deceased) and Helen Hill M.S. McFadyean.
Signed Alexander Wallace DL
Minister of East Campbell Street U.P. Church
Signed: Thomas Holland (witness)
Jemima Farnlay [?] (Witness)
Reg: Dec 4 1875 at Glasgow
JM [?] Thomson

1/1885 death
MCGOUGH, JOHN Stat Deaths 644/05 0076
Deaths in the District of Blackfriars in the Burgh of Glasgow
P26 No 76
JOHN MCGOUGH Whipmaker (Master) (Married to Helen Hill)
When and where died: January 21, 8h 15min pm. 38 St Andrews Square Glasgow. Male. Age: 39 years.
Name, surname & rank or professions of father: Francis McGough Tailor (Journey man) (deceased)
Name and maiden surname of mother: Ann McGough MS Mortimer (Deceased)
Cause of death, duration: Phthisis, 1 month.
As cert by Edward Coyle LSA.
Signed X HGough widow  (Present)
Registered Jan 22 at Glasgow, 1885. James Hall Registrar.

Places these McGoughs lived 1850s  to  1905
(1851) 71 Bridgegate Blackfriars 
(1861 census) haven’t found them on Scotlands People sencus for 1861 yet – why can’t find them?
(1871)13 pine or Kirk st  ?? Calton 
(1881) 38 St Andrews Sq
(1889_ Sth Wellington St
(1891) 3 canning st Bridgeton
(1901) 19 Sandyfaulds St Hutchesontown
(1905) 438 Sth York st, Kinning Park

See photo of 11 Bridgegate in 1891:
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=WczoxMDoiYnJpZGdlZ2F0ZSI7&pg=1
and see all 17 photos in the series in that area of Glasgow.
+ Nat Lib maps 1857 overlay

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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Sunday 29 August 10 00:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello again

I am now hoping to find the death records for the brothers of John McGough (1845 - 1885) :

Frances McGeough    b 5/12/49
Philip McGeogh    b23/06/51

I am yet to find the family, or who was left in it... in the 1861 census - will likely only be Francis McGough (father b1818 died 1881 aged 63) and son John McGough (born 1845 married 1875 died 1885).

What I have found to date, thanks in great part to your advice and help, is outlined below and in next post,
Many thanks, Julie
 
Some MCGOUGHS  in Glasgow  - working list of dates

1/1845 marriage
I have cert of his parents marriage:
05/01/1845 Francis McGeough, tailor, in Glasgow m Ann Mortimer residing there. OPR 644/001 0430 0013 [not Catholic ?]

11/1845 birth
BIRTH OF JOHN MCGOUGH 24 November 1845
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
Transcribed as: 1845 MCGROCH, JOHN [S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00005 00343-031 Glasgow, St Andrews.
B. 24/11/1845 - bapt. 27/11/1845   MCGROCH   JOHN. Parents: FRANCIS MCGROCH/ANN MARTEMA
P341 - 2
Names of children: John
Legitimacy: lawful
1845 names of parents: Francis McGrouch & Ann Martema
When born: 24 November 1845
When baptized: 27 November 1845
1845 names of sponsors: James Boyle & Helen Cogans [?]
Name of clergyman: Thomas Leady [?]

2/1849 birth
B. 05/12/1849 - bapt. 05/12/1849   MCGEOUGH   FRANCES. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOUGH/ANN MORTIMER
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
1849 McGeough, Frances
[S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00006 00123-025,
GLASGOW, ST ANDREWS]
P131-2  4th row down
Francis,
Legitimate: Lawful
Name of parents: Francis McGeough & Ann Mortimer
When born: 5 Dec 1849
When baptized: 5 Dec 1849
Names of Sponsors: John Mortimer and Ann McDonald
Name of Clergyman: Daniel Gallaghan

6/1851 birth
B. 22/06/1851 - bapt. 23/06/1851   MCGEOGH   PHILIP. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOGH/ANN MORTIMER
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
1851 McGEOGH, PHILIP [S.C.A. Births MP 0061 00001 00002 00006 00241-014,
Glasgow, St Andrews]
P239
Names of children: Philip
Legitimate: lawful
Names of parents: Francis McGough & Ann Mortimer
Religion C
Date of birth: 22 June 1851
Date of baptism: 23 June 1851
Names of sponsors: James Boyle & Ann Boyle
Name of Clergyman: William Gordon

4/1852 birth
1852 McGEOCH, MICHAEL [S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00006 00347-026, GLASGOW, ST ANDREW’S]
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
B. 02/04/1853 - bapt. 02/04/1853   MCGEOCH   MICHAEL. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOCH/ANNE MARTIMER
Michael
Legitimate: Lawful
Francis Mc Geoch & Anne Mortimer
Religion: C
Born: 2nd  April 1853
Baptised: 2nd April 1853
Sponsors: Thomas Guthrie & Bridget Mortimer
Name of Clergyman: Alexander Reid

2/1855 death
10th Feb 1855   5.30pm
Bridget Mortimer
Death 644 65  0156 #156
Female aged 58 [born c1797]
Where born and how long in the district: Roscommon, Ireland
Parents names: John CAIRNS, farmer
Mary CAIRNS, maiden name, SHERIDAN
If deceased was married, to whom: Philip Mortimer, Nailor, deceased.
Children: [blank]
Where died: 81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
Burial place: Dalbeth [?] Glasgow
Signature of informant: John Mortimer, son

12/1855 birth
Born 18 December 1855 11 h pm
Stat Birth 644/ 05 0004 [not as catholic]
Birth 1855 registered 1856
Bridget McGough
81 Bridgegate street Glasgow
Father: Francis Mc Gough Tailor
Mother: Ann Mc Gough maiden Name: Mortimer
Francis McGough father (present)
Reg: 1 Jan 1856
John Strow [?] registrar

1/1856 death
MCGOUGH, MICHAEL [statutory deaths 644/05 0009]
5 January 1856 1pm
Michael McGough
(single)
when and where died: 5 January 1855 1pm, 81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
Male, 2 9/12 years.
Francis McGough Tailor, Ann McGough Maiden name Mortimer
Cause of death and how long: Croup, 5 days
As certified by John Pick  snr [?] who saw-deceased 5th January 1855
Light Hills cemetery Glasgow as certified by Robert Mc Wedge [?] undertaker
Informant: Francis Mc Gough father
1856 January 7th at Glasgow  John Stivers [?] Registrar

1/1856 death
1856 January 22 0h noon
Ann Mc Gough (married)
Death  044 05 00 ?
Age: 31
Parent’s names: Philip Mortimer, tailor
Bridget Mortimer, maiden name, CAIRNS
Illness: Consumption, 6 weeks. Not certified
Burial place: Dalbath [?] cemetery Glasgow, as certified by James Lynch undertaker
Signature, qual. and residence of informant: John MORTIMER, brother
Reg: 1856 Jan 23rd at Glasgow.
John Strew [?] registrar.


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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Sunday 29 August 10 00:07 BST (UK)  »
Hello

The photos are truly amazing - thanks very much for the links. 

I have these places for where my ancestors lived from 1850s to 1905 in Glasgow from the various census and bdm, and am trying to piece together their situation, now realising it is possible to do so a bit thanks to local knowledge and photos, etc, and in this digital age.

Places some McGoughs lived 1850s  to  1905 :

(1851) 71 Bridgegate Blackfriars 
(1861 census) haven’t found them on Scotlands People sencus for 1861 yet – why can’t find them?
(1871)13 pine or Kirk st  ?? Calton 
(1881) 38 St Andrews Sq
(1889_ Sth Wellington St
(1891) 3 canning st Bridgeton
(1901) 19 Sandyfaulds St Hutchesontown
(1905) 438 Sth York st, Kinning Park


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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:29 BST (UK)  »
Going out now.  Will download the other children's records later. Thanks for info re: the Dalbeth cemetery and Gerry Farrell. Julie Gough

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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Here is his birth - finally!

BIRTH OF JOHN MCGOUGH 24 November 1845
Roman Catholic
Transcribed as: 1845 MCGROCH, JOHN [S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00005 00343-031 Glasgow, St Andrews.

P341 - 2
Names of children: John
Legitimacy: lawful
1845 names of parents: Francis McGrouch & Ann Martema
When born: 24 November 1845
When baptized: 27 November 1845
1845 names of sponsors: James Boyle & Helen Cogans [?]
Name of clergyman: Thomas Leady [?]
 
but what a lot I have learnt from you about the crowded conditions in Glasgow and their district in particular,

and that John had 2 siblings who died young as did his mother. He was not an only child. I need to digest it all.

Also that he was born a Roman Catholic but married as a Presbyterian. Was this common?

when he married he was living at 38 st Andrews Square - was that a healthier location ?

The last time I can find the Mc in the McGough in the family was in 1920 by my great grandfather David signing his mother Helen McGough's death cert. The Mc was it seems forgotten until recently.

Julie

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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:11 BST (UK)  »
Sorry - found it - was so excited I did not go into the  correct Roman Catholic section

thanks again
julie

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Lanarkshire / Re: John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.
« on: Saturday 28 August 10 14:07 BST (UK)  »
Hello again

I don't know why but I am getting '0' hits with searching for him in pre 1855 births/baptisms on scotland's people - why!?

B. 24/11/1845 - bapt. 27/11/1845   MCGROCH   JOHN. Parents: FRANCIS MCGROCH/ANN MARTEMA

is anyone else able to get to the  '1 credit needed' stage?
and let me know what I am doing wrong !?

thanks
Julie

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