John McGough b1846, Glasgow - Can't find birth cert.

[RJ_Paton]

Also that he was born a Roman Catholic but married as a Presbyterian. Was this common?

Not common but not all that rare either .... although the marriage would have caused some problems in the eyes of his church

when he married he was living at 38 st Andrews Square - was that a healthier location ?

Sadly no, it was only a few hundred yards from the Briggait (northwards up the Saltmarket towards Glasgow Cross).

The area today can be seen on the maps available on the internet but almost nothing of the areas remain as that part of the city was one of the first to be demolished in the slum clearances which started in the 1860's. Over and above that work several Rail companies built lines through there and with that,like the motorway work which came along a century later, several streets disappeared almost completely.

If you have a look at the Virtual Mitchell Photographs you will see the conditions which even after the slum clearances of the 1860's were still being described as slums only 30 years later

[RJ_Paton]

http://geo.nls.uk/maps/towns/glasgow1857/openlayers.html

Is an 1857 map of the area overlaying a modern view on Google which will give you an idea of the area and the changes.

[fifer1947]

Never mind as early as 1890 - this image was taken just 100 yards from where I lived and in 1963 when I was 16.  That's only 47 years ago!! 

http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=subjects&s=item&key=SYToyOntpOjA7aToyMjI7aToxO3M6MTI6IlNsdW0gSG91c2luZyI7fQ==&pg=12

[MonicaL]

I still use this map you posted yonks ago Falkryn for Registration Districts for Glasgow www.douglasbrown.co.uk/glw74map.html 

Monica

[RJ_Paton]

Never mind as early as 1890 - this image was taken just 100 yards from where I lived and in 1963 when I was 16.  That's only 47 years ago!! 

http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=subjects&s=item&key=SYToyOntpOjA7aToyMjI7aToxO3M6MTI6IlNsdW0gSG91c2luZyI7fQ==&pg=12

I played in worse when staying with relatives in the Gorbals in the late 60's (1960's that is  )

Still its amazing that conditions such as those pictured are quickly forgotten when people reminisce about "The Good Old Days"

[VDLstories]

Hello

The photos are truly amazing - thanks very much for the links. 

I have these places for where my ancestors lived from 1850s to 1905 in Glasgow from the various census and bdm, and am trying to piece together their situation, now realising it is possible to do so a bit thanks to local knowledge and photos, etc, and in this digital age.

Places some McGoughs lived 1850s  to  1905 :

(1851) 71 Bridgegate Blackfriars 
(1861 census) haven’t found them on Scotlands People sencus for 1861 yet – why can’t find them?
(1871)13 pine or Kirk st  ?? Calton 
(1881) 38 St Andrews Sq
(1889_ Sth Wellington St
(1891) 3 canning st Bridgeton
(1901) 19 Sandyfaulds St Hutchesontown
(1905) 438 Sth York st, Kinning Park

[VDLstories]

Hello again

I am now hoping to find the death records for the brothers of John McGough (1845 - 1885) :

Frances McGeough    b 5/12/49
Philip McGeogh    b23/06/51

I am yet to find the family, or who was left in it... in the 1861 census - will likely only be Francis McGough (father b1818 died 1881 aged 63) and son John McGough (born 1845 married 1875 died 1885).

What I have found to date, thanks in great part to your advice and help, is outlined below and in next post,
Many thanks, Julie
 
Some MCGOUGHS  in Glasgow  - working list of dates

1/1845 marriage
I have cert of his parents marriage:
05/01/1845 Francis McGeough, tailor, in Glasgow m Ann Mortimer residing there. OPR 644/001 0430 0013 [not Catholic ?]

11/1845 birth
BIRTH OF JOHN MCGOUGH 24 November 1845
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
Transcribed as: 1845 MCGROCH, JOHN [S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00005 00343-031 Glasgow, St Andrews.
B. 24/11/1845 - bapt. 27/11/1845   MCGROCH   JOHN. Parents: FRANCIS MCGROCH/ANN MARTEMA
P341 - 2
Names of children: John
Legitimacy: lawful
1845 names of parents: Francis McGrouch & Ann Martema
When born: 24 November 1845
When baptized: 27 November 1845
1845 names of sponsors: James Boyle & Helen Cogans [?]
Name of clergyman: Thomas Leady [?]

2/1849 birth
B. 05/12/1849 - bapt. 05/12/1849   MCGEOUGH   FRANCES. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOUGH/ANN MORTIMER
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
1849 McGeough, Frances
[S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00006 00123-025,
GLASGOW, ST ANDREWS]
P131-2  4th row down
Francis,
Legitimate: Lawful
Name of parents: Francis McGeough & Ann Mortimer
When born: 5 Dec 1849
When baptized: 5 Dec 1849
Names of Sponsors: John Mortimer and Ann McDonald
Name of Clergyman: Daniel Gallaghan

6/1851 birth
B. 22/06/1851 - bapt. 23/06/1851   MCGEOGH   PHILIP. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOGH/ANN MORTIMER
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
1851 McGEOGH, PHILIP [S.C.A. Births MP 0061 00001 00002 00006 00241-014,
Glasgow, St Andrews]
P239
Names of children: Philip
Legitimate: lawful
Names of parents: Francis McGough & Ann Mortimer
Religion C
Date of birth: 22 June 1851
Date of baptism: 23 June 1851
Names of sponsors: James Boyle & Ann Boyle
Name of Clergyman: William Gordon

4/1852 birth
1852 McGEOCH, MICHAEL [S.C.A. Births MP 0062 00001 00002 00006 00347-026, GLASGOW, ST ANDREW’S]
[St Andrew's in Glasgow. Roman Catholic]
B. 02/04/1853 - bapt. 02/04/1853   MCGEOCH   MICHAEL. Parents: FRANCIS MCGEOCH/ANNE MARTIMER
Michael
Legitimate: Lawful
Francis Mc Geoch & Anne Mortimer
Religion: C
Born: 2nd  April 1853
Baptised: 2nd April 1853
Sponsors: Thomas Guthrie & Bridget Mortimer
Name of Clergyman: Alexander Reid

2/1855 death
10th Feb 1855   5.30pm
Bridget Mortimer
Death 644 65  0156 #156
Female aged 58 [born c1797]
Where born and how long in the district: Roscommon, Ireland
Parents names: John CAIRNS, farmer
Mary CAIRNS, maiden name, SHERIDAN
If deceased was married, to whom: Philip Mortimer, Nailor, deceased.
Children: [blank]
Where died: 81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
Burial place: Dalbeth [?] Glasgow
Signature of informant: John Mortimer, son

12/1855 birth
Born 18 December 1855 11 h pm
Stat Birth 644/ 05 0004 [not as catholic]
Birth 1855 registered 1856
Bridget McGough
81 Bridgegate street Glasgow
Father: Francis Mc Gough Tailor
Mother: Ann Mc Gough maiden Name: Mortimer
Francis McGough father (present)
Reg: 1 Jan 1856
John Strow [?] registrar

1/1856 death
MCGOUGH, MICHAEL [statutory deaths 644/05 0009]
5 January 1856 1pm
Michael McGough
(single)
when and where died: 5 January 1855 1pm, 81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
Male, 2 9/12 years.
Francis McGough Tailor, Ann McGough Maiden name Mortimer
Cause of death and how long: Croup, 5 days
As certified by John Pick  snr [?] who saw-deceased 5th January 1855
Light Hills cemetery Glasgow as certified by Robert Mc Wedge [?] undertaker
Informant: Francis Mc Gough father
1856 January 7th at Glasgow  John Stivers [?] Registrar

1/1856 death
1856 January 22 0h noon
Ann Mc Gough (married)
Death  044 05 00 ?
Age: 31
Parent’s names: Philip Mortimer, tailor
Bridget Mortimer, maiden name, CAIRNS
Illness: Consumption, 6 weeks. Not certified
Burial place: Dalbath [?] cemetery Glasgow, as certified by James Lynch undertaker
Signature, qual. and residence of informant: John MORTIMER, brother
Reg: 1856 Jan 23rd at Glasgow.
John Strew [?] registrar.

[VDLstories]

last post continued

Records continued of  some of the BDMs of Glasgow McGoughs:

Family of Frances McGough ex Carrickmacross Monaghan (1818 - 1881) to Glasgow Aug 1841 and married 1845 wife Ann nee Mortimer  ex Roscommon in 1833 with parents and siblings (1826-1856).
..............

3/1856 death
MCGOUGH, BRIDGET
Stat deaths 644/05 0246
Page 82 no. 246
Bridget Mc Gough (single)
Died: 31 March 1856 2 h 30 min pm
81 Bridgegate st Glasgow
female
3 months
Francis McGough Tailor Journeyman, Ann McGough maiden name Mortimer dec.
Cause of death: Debility from Birth
No medical attendant.
Burial place: Dalbeth cemetery, Glasgow. As certified by James Lynch, undertaker.
Signature, qualifications and residence of informant: Francis McGough
Father [signed in wobbly writing]
When and where registered: 1856. April 1st at Glasgow.
John Straw [?] registrar

1861 census
Francis McGough father and John McGough son ??

1/1875 marriage
JOHN MCGOUGH Marriage:
01/01/1875
Stat Marr 644/05 02391
1875 marriages in the district of Blackfriars in the Burgh of Glasgow
p120 No.239.
1 December 1875.
East Campbell Street Church Glasgow after Banns according to the terms of the United Presbyterian Church.
(Signed) John McGough (whipmaker master) (Bachelor). Age: 29
(signed) Hellen Hill, House Keeper (Spinster).  Age: 27
Residing: 38 St Andrews Sq, Glasgow.
Name, surname & rank or professions of father: Francis McGough Tailor (Journey man) (deceased) and  Ann McGough MS Mortimer (Deceased).
William Hill, House Factor (Deceased) and Helen Hill M.S. McFadyean.
Signed Alexander Wallace DL
Minister of East Campbell Street U.P. Church
Signed: Thomas Holland (witness)
Jemima Farnlay [?] (Witness)
Reg: Dec 4 1875 at Glasgow
JM [?] Thomson

1/1885 death
MCGOUGH, JOHN Stat Deaths 644/05 0076
Deaths in the District of Blackfriars in the Burgh of Glasgow
P26 No 76
JOHN MCGOUGH Whipmaker (Master) (Married to Helen Hill)
When and where died: January 21, 8h 15min pm. 38 St Andrews Square Glasgow. Male. Age: 39 years.
Name, surname & rank or professions of father: Francis McGough Tailor (Journey man) (deceased)
Name and maiden surname of mother: Ann McGough MS Mortimer (Deceased)
Cause of death, duration: Phthisis, 1 month.
As cert by Edward Coyle LSA.
Signed X HGough widow  (Present)
Registered Jan 22 at Glasgow, 1885. James Hall Registrar.

Places these McGoughs lived 1850s  to  1905
(1851) 71 Bridgegate Blackfriars 
(1861 census) haven’t found them on Scotlands People sencus for 1861 yet – why can’t find them?
(1871)13 pine or Kirk st  ?? Calton 
(1881) 38 St Andrews Sq
(1889_ Sth Wellington St
(1891) 3 canning st Bridgeton
(1901) 19 Sandyfaulds St Hutchesontown
(1905) 438 Sth York st, Kinning Park

See photo of 11 Bridgegate in 1891:
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=WczoxMDoiYnJpZGdlZ2F0ZSI7&pg=1
and see all 17 photos in the series in that area of Glasgow.
+ Nat Lib maps 1857 overlay