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Hi Allan, thanks for all the info - I've got lots of lead miners in my family too, in the Collings of Wearside: Hannah Colling married Thomas Ellwood (your Mary's brother). A gruesome occupation.

I have never tried to send a photo via this site but assumed it would be easy because there appears to be a link to do it, though that doesn't seem to actually lead anywhere. I've found the following link, however, which (allegedly!) explains how to do it:
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html

Hope you can follow it and it works, though it seems to take a lot of explaining!

Regards

Pat

Pat

Hi Gillian

Yes, could be. If that's the former Sarah Martindale she would have been 50 when she married George in 1767.

Regards

Pat

Hi Gillian

Thanks for the latest instalment! Were you aware that there was a William born in Dufton at the right time?  The FamilySearch.org site shows that the William who married Frances was born "Abt 1755/1760". Doing a search for births reveals that apart from one born in Kendal in 1752, there was only one other William Ellwood born in Westmorland at that time. He's shown as christened in Dufton on 18 Jun 1754.  His parents are given as William & Mary Ellwood, married in Dufton on 27 March 1749. That William is shown born in Dufton "Abt 1723", died Brampton and buried Long Marton 27 Feb1797. Mary (no surname given) is shown as born "Abt 1727", also in Dufton.  It looks like these details were submitted to the site by someone living in Utah.  It's a possibility at least - or have you already discounted this?

Worth mentioning Sarah Ellwood "of Langkaber" too - she was buried 29 Feb 1792 aged 75 (therefore born c. 1717). Who knows? - there's a chance this could be William's mother.

By the Ellwood family living next door to Wm/Frances in 1787 do you mean George & Sarah Elwood? I have a George Ellwood "of Kirkby Thore" marrying Sarah Martindale in CR on 18 Nov 1767 so maybe this could be them? (The extra 'L' in the name came and went a bit around this time didn't it?!).  I daresay George was related to Wm somehow - all the Ellwoods in Westmorland are probably related if you go far enough back!
 
Yes, I think John from MM is probably the right one too - witnesses William & Mary would be his brother and sister. 

Regards

Pat

Hi Gillian

John's place of birth is given again as Crosby Ravensworth in the 1861 census. He was living in Maulds Meaburn when the 1841 census was done. The death certificate I have shows that that John died in the Eamont Bridge Workhouse on 1 Dec 1863. William Burton registered the death: I confirmed from the internet that he was the 'Master' of the workhouse in 1863. I also established from the internet that this workhouse took in people from CR.  I know I could be on completely the wrong track but I haven't been able to find the death of any other John Ellwood that fits even as well as this shaky possibility!

It would be great if you could shed any light on any of this without going to too much trouble. I'm trying to check out William & Frances (Fanny) as parents of my John, but that's only possible if that John's wife Mary Eggleston died before 1829 when he married Margaret Nutt. This is what I'm working on now.

Regards (and thanks for your interest)

Pat

Thanks for this - another line to investigate. You're the first person I've found doing my research that  I'm related to - though it's pretty distant! 

Thanks again.